UK Gov Vaccine proof hypocrisy
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I would really like to know the justification behind the UK governments current stand on vaccine proof.
Currently to return from an Amber list country and avoid hotel quarantine you have to have been through the UK vaccination scheme. No other proof or evidence from another country is currently accepted it seems.
But there are plenty of countries that are accepting the UK app or certificate as proof of vaccination for entry.
So how can they be so hypocritical to expect other countries to accept our vaccination program but not accept theirs?
This is incredibly frustrating as I will soon be fully vaccinated with Moderna but because it's not part of the UK Vaccination program it will essentially exclude me from anything that requires official evidence of being vaccinated in the UK.
/rant over
Apologies for yet another COVID thread.
Currently to return from an Amber list country and avoid hotel quarantine you have to have been through the UK vaccination scheme. No other proof or evidence from another country is currently accepted it seems.
But there are plenty of countries that are accepting the UK app or certificate as proof of vaccination for entry.
So how can they be so hypocritical to expect other countries to accept our vaccination program but not accept theirs?
This is incredibly frustrating as I will soon be fully vaccinated with Moderna but because it's not part of the UK Vaccination program it will essentially exclude me from anything that requires official evidence of being vaccinated in the UK.
/rant over
Apologies for yet another COVID thread.
I don't think you could consider us as being more cautious than other countries. In fact a lot of them think we're daft for opening up so soon.
But the point is, why should the UK gov expect other countries to accept our vaccine program but not us accepting theirs despite using the same approved vaccines?
But the point is, why should the UK gov expect other countries to accept our vaccine program but not us accepting theirs despite using the same approved vaccines?
philv said:
Isn't it good that we are being more cautious than other countrirs?
I’d argue that there’s greater risk of catching Covid from within the U.K. than from travellers who’ve been PCR tested before travel. Or maybe they’re concerned about faked vaccination ‘passports’? I’ll take a wild guess and say 25% of PCR certificates are faked and forged and it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s higher.
RichTT said:
I don't think you could consider us as being more cautious than other countries. In fact a lot of them think we're daft for opening up so soon.
But the point is, why should the UK gov expect other countries to accept our vaccine program but not us accepting theirs despite using the same approved vaccines?
Expecting? So? Do other countries expect us to accept theirs? It would only be hypocritical if our government were demanding other countries acceptable ours, which I don’t think they are.But the point is, why should the UK gov expect other countries to accept our vaccine program but not us accepting theirs despite using the same approved vaccines?
I suspect that the situation you describe will soon be resolved.
Whilst there's much to criticise the government over, we have to recognise that things are moving quickly and that some restrictions quickly become obsolete at a speed quicker than they can be adjusted.
I might be being over-benevolent though!
Whilst there's much to criticise the government over, we have to recognise that things are moving quickly and that some restrictions quickly become obsolete at a speed quicker than they can be adjusted.
I might be being over-benevolent though!
StevieBee said:
I suspect that the situation you describe will soon be resolved.
Whilst there's much to criticise the government over, we have to recognise that things are moving quickly and that some restrictions quickly become obsolete at a speed quicker than they can be adjusted.
I might be being over-benevolent though!
The justification between the different levels in the traffic light travel system has never been fully justified as far as I know. Qatar, where I am now, is on the Red list and has fully vaccinated 60% of the population, with 70% having received at least the first dose. They have a 7 day average of 132 cases per 100,000. Whilst there's much to criticise the government over, we have to recognise that things are moving quickly and that some restrictions quickly become obsolete at a speed quicker than they can be adjusted.
I might be being over-benevolent though!
Croatia is on the green list. Has a 7 day average of about 130 cases per 100,000. They have vaccinated only 33% full, and less than 40% with a single dose.
So how do they justify that? Evidence of the Delta variant was the initial response, but seeing as 99% of the UK's current caseload is the Delta variant I can't see the reasoning. The Gov doesn't have a feckin clue what it's doing and with no official guidelines published, neither do we.
Edited by RichTT on Friday 23 July 12:45
RichTT said:
StevieBee said:
I suspect that the situation you describe will soon be resolved.
Whilst there's much to criticise the government over, we have to recognise that things are moving quickly and that some restrictions quickly become obsolete at a speed quicker than they can be adjusted.
I might be being over-benevolent though!
The justification between the different levels in the traffic light travel system has never been fully justified as far as I know. Qatar, where I am now, is on the Red list and has fully vaccinated 60% of the population, with 70% having received at least the first dose. They have a 7 day average of 132 cases per 100,000. Whilst there's much to criticise the government over, we have to recognise that things are moving quickly and that some restrictions quickly become obsolete at a speed quicker than they can be adjusted.
I might be being over-benevolent though!
Croatia is on the green list. Has a 7 day average of about 130 cases per 100,000. They have vaccinated only 33% full, and less than 40% with a single dose.
So how do they justify that? Evidence of the Delta variant was the initial response, but seeing as 99% of the UK's current caseload is the Delta variant I can't see the reasoning. The Gov doesn't have a feckin clue what it's doing and with no official guidelines published, neither do we.
Edited by RichTT on Friday 23 July 12:45
Its easier to make the country red than try sifting passengers who may have sat next to a passenger from a red country for 7 hours.
It's nothing to do with infection rates in the country or vaccination rates.
GT03ROB said:
Qatar & the emirates are hubs from which a lot of red countries transit to the Uk, as with Turkey.
Its easier to make the country red than try sifting passengers who may have sat next to a passenger from a red country for 7 hours.
It's nothing to do with infection rates in the country or vaccination rates.
Hong Kong and Singapore on the green list, Holland and Germany on the Amber list, all major transit hubs as well. Its easier to make the country red than try sifting passengers who may have sat next to a passenger from a red country for 7 hours.
It's nothing to do with infection rates in the country or vaccination rates.
RichTT said:
GT03ROB said:
Qatar & the emirates are hubs from which a lot of red countries transit to the Uk, as with Turkey.
Its easier to make the country red than try sifting passengers who may have sat next to a passenger from a red country for 7 hours.
It's nothing to do with infection rates in the country or vaccination rates.
Hong Kong and Singapore on the green list, Holland and Germany on the Amber list, all major transit hubs as well. Its easier to make the country red than try sifting passengers who may have sat next to a passenger from a red country for 7 hours.
It's nothing to do with infection rates in the country or vaccination rates.
The points of origin for the highest number of cases coming in based on the 2&8 day testing is as significant as the number of cases or vaccination status. It's frustrating as its impossible to work out what is happening & their reasoning. Some of it is political, some based on reciprocity, some based on data
philv said:
Isn't it good that we are being more cautious than other countrirs?
Yes, yes of course.. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=4132848396751938
Mutual recognition of overseas vaccination was raised in Parliament earlier this week. Subject to the vaccine having been approved by MHRA it will shortly be possible to have your “status” recognised.
So AZ, J&J, Pfizer & Moderna will be accepted.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-07-22/d...
So AZ, J&J, Pfizer & Moderna will be accepted.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-07-22/d...
Hansard said:
By the end of this month, UK nationals who have been vaccinated overseas will be able to talk to their GP, go through what vaccine they have had, and have it registered with the NHS that they have been vaccinated. The reason for the conversation with the GP is to make sure that whatever vaccine they have had is approved in the United Kingdom. Ultimately, there will be a co-ordination between the World Health Organisation, ourselves, the European regulator, the US regulator and other regulators around the world.
b0rk said:
Mutual recognition of overseas vaccination was raised in Parliament earlier this week. Subject to the vaccine having been approved by MHRA it will shortly be possible to have your “status” recognised.
So AZ, J&J, Pfizer & Moderna will be accepted.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-07-22/d...
That’s good news as I’m in the same boat as RichTT although fully jabbed now and registered the vaccinations with my GP already but the obviously don’t activate the app as mine were done in Qatar too. So AZ, J&J, Pfizer & Moderna will be accepted.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-07-22/d...
Hansard said:
By the end of this month, UK nationals who have been vaccinated overseas will be able to talk to their GP, go through what vaccine they have had, and have it registered with the NHS that they have been vaccinated. The reason for the conversation with the GP is to make sure that whatever vaccine they have had is approved in the United Kingdom. Ultimately, there will be a co-ordination between the World Health Organisation, ourselves, the European regulator, the US regulator and other regulators around the world.
Incidentally, I’m off to Croatia soon hopefully to do my Europe shuffle back to U.K. It’s mental that I have to travel through 6 airports to get back just to avoid hotel quarantine.
RichTT said:
This is incredibly frustrating as I will soon be fully vaccinated with Moderna but because it's not part of the UK Vaccination program it will essentially exclude me from anything that requires official evidence of being vaccinated in the UK.
I’m thick, what does this mean? I’ve had both my Moderna jabs in the UK, how is it not part of the UK Vaccination program? I assume I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying,Yes, a lot of overseas workers have taken part in vaccination schemes in our country of employment rather than the UK where we live. But until they allow our GPs to recognise overseas vaccination programs we're in the middle ground of having been vaccinated but not recognised as such by the UK gov.
However as the previous poster mentioned this should change soon. Hopefully.
However as the previous poster mentioned this should change soon. Hopefully.
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