RE: VX220 Turbo replacement on its way
RE: VX220 Turbo replacement on its way
Tuesday 19th July 2005

VX220 Turbo replacement on its way

GM's 250bhp sports car due for 2006


Saturn Sky in Detroit
Saturn Sky in Detroit
Remember the Saturn Sky we featured in our report on the Detroit Motor Show back in January (see link below)?

It's coming your way. The successor to Vauxhall's VX220 Turbo with its Lotus Elise underpinnings, will get a 250bhp 2.2-litre turbocharged four-cylinder engine and arrive in the UK late in 2006. It will be clad in the Saturn Sky's bodyshell.

It'll be a Vauxhall, sold like the VX220 through main dealers, and will cost some £22,000 -- performance of some five seconds for 0-60mph and a top speed of 150mph is promised, according to a report in Auto Express.

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AndyWoodall

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2,696 posts

281 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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Anyone else think that this looks rather foul?

robdickinson

31,343 posts

276 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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It'll be a lard bucket too I bet.

qube_TA

8,405 posts

267 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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2.2Litre Turbo, yeah I'm sure it'll be really lardy!!

Hopefully it's a little bigger than the old one. Anyone over 5'8 couldn't fit behind the wheel!

Ratspants

113 posts

304 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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"With an estimated weight of 1,300 kg, this version of the Sky will be nippy" from >Yahoo<.

It's just going to be a regular GM car rather than a Lotus under the covers.

Ah well, where's that S3 Elise? 2008?!?! Boo!

Ben

dick dastardly

8,325 posts

285 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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The whole point of the VX (& Elise) was to provide a stripped-down road going race car for the enthusiast. This looks more like an MX-5 to me and I reckon it'll fail for losing it's core values

Ravon

608 posts

304 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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I've actually been around Goodwood in one of these cars, last winter I forced the team that work for me to do a "Roadcraft & Wetgrip" training at Goodwood, whilst overseeing them, two matt-black prototypes turned up, lapping the circuit quite briskly. I'm well known to the marshall's at Goodwood, and they said to one of the test drivers that I should have a ride, he duly obliged and I enjoyed a couple of laps. The car felt quite impressive on circuit, but it isn't a "European scale" car, it huge by sports car standards, probably a foot wider than an MX5 or S2000. Looking under the bonnet it was clear that the design had never concidered right hand drive, the slant four laying directly in the path of a right hand drive steering column.

A good effort for GM as a US sports car, but just by vertue of its size never a serious competitor on Europe.

Muncher

12,235 posts

271 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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What a heap

Everyone who bought a VX will now just switch to buying a Lotus for their next car.

r988

7,495 posts

251 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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Ratspants said:
"With an estimated weight of 1,300 kg, this version of the Sky will be nippy" from >Yahoo<.

It's just going to be a regular GM car rather than a Lotus under the covers.

Ah well, where's that S3 Elise? 2008?!?! Boo!

Ben


blimey, thats almost as heavy as my old 5 series or an M3 CSL.

zumbruk

7,848 posts

282 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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It doesn't matter how good or otherwise it is, anyway. The damned Vauxhall dealers never return your calls.

boggy

4,603 posts

257 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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Well done Vauxall, you've just doubled sales on the Lotus Elise, Ho Ho Ho !

Boggy

RosCabezas

118 posts

275 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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While I like the new saturn, wouldn't buy it. Looks comfortable, probably fast and almost luxurious, but no sport car. I'll keep having fun in my smart roadster for a while. And if I can, I'll buy a VX Turbo in some years.

cheeky_chops

1,620 posts

273 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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qube_TA said:
Hopefully it's a little bigger than the old one. Anyone over 5'8 couldn't fit behind the wheel!


Not true at all - I'm 6'1" and have the seat one notch forward!

ubergreg

261 posts

253 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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Hmm...

Or I could spend £18K on the upcoming top-spec MX-5 which will have better handling, looks, quality and packaging, AND I can have it in RHD. Then I'll bet I can spend the £4K difference on, say, a supercharger conversion, complete w/ uprated brakes and suspension?

Or how about an S2000?

And stuff the four-banger - for a £22K Saturn, I should at least get a V6!

A horrible replacement for the VX220.

joe_90

4,206 posts

253 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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yea.. get the s2000.. even though the new mx5 looks like its baby sister..

Plotloss

67,280 posts

292 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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The Sky weighs 1300kgs with a smaller engine so it wont be a VX220 replacement dynamically speaking, which is a shame.

Vauxhall have missed a trick here, the VXT was keenly priced for the level of performance and handling it provides. A small tweak here and there and you are in supercar performance territory for peanuts. Yes the Elise is perhaps sharper but its not got the grunt unless you spend a significant amount more and the VXT had its own little niche.

As has been said why would you buy this over an MX5?

Ratspants

113 posts

304 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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Plotloss said:
The Sky weighs 1300kgs with a smaller engine so it wont be a VX220 replacement dynamically speaking, which is a shame.

Vauxhall have missed a trick here, the VXT was keenly priced for the level of performance and handling it provides.

The VX never sold well, in GM terms. So despite the arguable "halo product" benefits of the VX, this new car will sell many more units. It's only a replacement in so far as it's the "sports car" in the GM range. A winner for GM in the long run.

Lotus will get more sales in the future when VX owners are looking to get a newer car, but VX owners were pained to have had to choose Vauxhall in the first place and as such are not the market this new car is aimed at.

Ben

shot2bits

1,273 posts

250 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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Lotus will be well happy with this announcement - what's wrong with Vauxhall? Why not replace the VX with something similar, why produce this American looking heavy old crap... I was starting to like them again until this... The VX220T is an excellent car, little less sharp than the Elise / Exige but shed loads of torque with low weight and fun in much the same way... So that's Vauxhall out of the 'true' sports car market...

900T-R

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279 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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shot2bits said:
Lotus will be well happy with this announcement - what's wrong with Vauxhall? Why not replace the VX with something similar, why produce this American looking heavy old crap...


The same reason Saab gets stuck with rebadging Chevy trucks and Scoobies (while at the same time, comparatively massive amounts are spent on futile attempts to make us believe what we want is not a BMW or Audi, but a Cadillac ) - GM pays, GM decides... and so far, they have shown to know cr*p about the European market...

s3am

1,383 posts

274 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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What ever happened to the VX lighting concept car? I loved the looks of that, and I thought it was supposed to demostrate the VX's succesor



>> Edited by s3am on Tuesday 19th July 18:17

pwig

11,999 posts

292 months

Tuesday 19th July 2005
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Am I the only one who likes it then?