Fangio 1950 San Remo Grand Prix images

[chelsea9899]

Hi all,

I wonder if someone might be able to point me in the right direction as I'm having no luck. I'm trying to find images of Fangio after he won the 1950 San Remo Grand Prix which was raced at the Ospedaletti Circuit, specifically of him with his winners trophy. It's a long shot I know, but I have my fingers crossed.

It was his debut race for, and debut win for Alfa Romeo in the "Alfetta" 158.

Any help would be appreciated!

Many thanks!

[Eric Mc]

Surely the Alfa 158 was winning races in 1948 and 1949?

[thegreenhell]

Simon Moore's Monoposto book has a couple of photo's of the race itself, but nothing of the post-race.

[Eric Mc]

Just did a quick check, the Alfetta won its first race in 1938.

[Leithen]

Asking the question in the Nostalgia Forum over at Autosport (Previously Atlas F1) is probably your best bet.

https://forums.autosport.com/forum/10-the-nostalgi...

[ettore]

Could try the LAT archive - is pretty extensive

[Leithen]

This thread on Autosport Forums appears to be on the subject.

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/76338-alfa-158-...

[CanAm]

Eric Mc said:

Surely the Alfa 158 was winning races in 1948 and 1949?

Don't be silly Eric. Everyone knows that single-seater motor racing was invented by the FIA in 1950. There was nothing before then, nothing at all. Just a void.

[thegreenhell]

CanAm said:

Eric Mc said:

Surely the Alfa 158 was winning races in 1948 and 1949?

Don't be silly Eric. Everyone knows that single-seater motor racing was invented by the FIA in 1950. There was nothing before then, nothing at all. Just a void.

But why bring it up in this thread?

[ettore]

thegreenhell said:

But why bring it up in this thread?

Because of the original comment in the first post...

...quite logical really?

The wonderful Alfetta was originally a voiturette (formula 2 equivalent) car from just before the war. Grand Prix racing is obviously much older than formula 1 but the post war rules (4.5 litre unsupercharged or 1.5 litre supercharged) meant the Alfa became F1 sharpish. The application of wartime supercharging tech begat the 149 with ultimately about 450bhp from 1.5 litres in 1950..

Wonderful things but successful from the thirties to the fifties..

[Eric Mc]

I was trying to post a similar comment yesterday but kept getting an "Error 403" message. I don't know why.

The 158/159 family were a pre-war design. By normal standards, they would have been obsolete by about 1943/44 but the war intervened and they were the best Grand Prix (Voiturette) standard cars available after the war had ended. I like the story that they had been bricked up in a cheese factory to hide them from war booty hunters for the duration of the war.

[Roofless Toothless]

I am old enough to remember my first die cast model racing cars when a kid. They were ERAs and Alfettas just like this. They still seem like ‘proper’ racing cars to me.

[thegreenhell]

ettore said:

Because of the original comment in the first post...

...quite logical really?

The wonderful Alfetta was originally a voiturette (formula 2 equivalent) car from just before the war. Grand Prix racing is obviously much older than formula 1 but the post war rules (4.5 litre unsupercharged or 1.5 litre supercharged) meant the Alfa became F1 sharpish. The application of wartime supercharging tech begat the 149 with ultimately about 450bhp from 1.5 litres in 1950..

Wonderful things but successful from the thirties to the fifties..

While that's true, the original post doesn't contradict that in any way, or contain any statements that require such clarification.

[Eric Mc]

It needed correcting though as it intimated that the Alfa 158 won its first race in 1950 - which was far from the reality.

[FourWheelDrift]

Eric Mc said:

It needed correcting though as it intimated that the Alfa 158 won its first race in 1950 - which was far from the reality.

He didn't say that at all.

chelsea9899 said:

Hi all,
It was his debut race for, and debut win for Alfa Romeo in the "Alfetta" 158.

Which means it was Fangio's debut for Alfa Romeo and Fangio's first win in an Alfetta.

[thegreenhell]

Eric Mc said:

It needed correcting though as it intimated that the Alfa 158 won its first race in 1950 - which was far from the reality.

Fangio won his first race for Alfa Romeo in 1950 in the 158. That is what is said.

[Eric Mc]

It said "debut win for Alfa Romeo" which didn't make it clear to me that it was meant to mean it was Fangio's debut win in an Alfa Romeo.

I can see now that this is what was meant but initially it didn't read that way to me.

[tertius]

Eric Mc said:

It said "debut win for Alfa Romeo" which didn't make it clear to me that it was meant to mean it was Fangio's debut win in an Alfa Romeo.

I can see now that this is what was meant but initially it didn't read that way to me.

Must confess I read it the same way.

[Eric Mc]

It was easy to misunderstand - but I can see what he meant now.

People just need to take a bit more care when they are constructing their sentences.

[dr_gn]

Eric Mc said:

It was easy to misunderstand - but I can see what he meant now.

People just need to take a bit more care when they are constructing their sentences.

“It was his debut race for, and debut win for Alfa Romeo in the "Alfetta" 158.”

If he’d meant what you thought, he’d have written “debut win for Alfa Romeo WITH the Alfetta 158”, but that would then have made the first part of the sentence wrong.

Alfa Romeo wouldn’t have a debut win IN the Alfetta 158, so I don’t see why the sentence is wrong - you just didn’t understand it correctly.