What pads now ?????????
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Now I am stumped as to what to use. Mintex have stopped making 1144 pads for the chims etc. Has anyone any sugestions as whst is next best for HEAVY TRACK USE. I have used EBC greens before but thought they were not great even to the extent that the pad came away from the metal (scary). Maby this was a one off. What are your thoughts. Has anyone used the EBC reds or any other make. Sorry should have said Mintex are only supplying pads for the car in standard material (no 1155 etc)
>> Edited by rnd on Tuesday 19th July 16:55
>> Edited by rnd on Tuesday 19th July 16:55
I've never had any problems with EBC green pads except the early ones which i fitted to my BMW.
I've also fitted many Griffs and Chims with EBC Greens and have not had one complaint.Even when used on trackdays.
It is important that your car has the later 260mm front discs as you are right in saying that the friction material comes away from the backing pad.
This is more common with standard pads though on the early 240mm discs.
My advice would be to use Redstuff front and rear with a hydraulic flush using DOT 5.1.if you track the car a lot.
Bin the drilled discs.
I've also fitted many Griffs and Chims with EBC Greens and have not had one complaint.Even when used on trackdays.
It is important that your car has the later 260mm front discs as you are right in saying that the friction material comes away from the backing pad.
This is more common with standard pads though on the early 240mm discs.
My advice would be to use Redstuff front and rear with a hydraulic flush using DOT 5.1.if you track the car a lot.
Bin the drilled discs.
I used EBC GreenStuff for a year or so, they worked tolerably well from cold in the winter, brilliant on the track, but very high disc wear levels. I didn't have any problem with pad separation. But I would recommend you try Tarox XF or DS2500, they both work well from cold and have similar high temperature ratings. I prefer the DS2500 for feel, but the XF are fine too. I don't rate Mintex at all in comparision, they only thing they have going for them imo is that they are cheap.
rnd said:
Back again, tried Ferodo site again but could only see DS2000 or DS3000. Will give them a ring tomorrow and see what their prices are like. Think it is between them or EBC red's
Peninsula the TVR dealer supplied mine for a reasonable price.
Where are you in the country? There is a place in High Wycombe called Chiltern Brake, they do every kind of brake material/supplier on the planet - I'm sure they could help.
I had the same experience with the friction material cracking the then coming away from the backing with Greenstuff pads. Not good, and that was only on a focus used moderately hard on road... They always seemed to give a lot of vibration and I was never that impressed with them. I replaced with a set of Ferodo pads and these were much much better.
Paul.
Paul.
)The DS2500 pads are competition pads. I have the importers details at home so if no one else has come up with it I'll post it later. Depending on the age of your car they may not be road legal. This was all explained to me when I bought my second set and I know it's OK for mine but can't remember the explanation.
DS2500 are fast road pads. They're fine on the road to the best of my knowledge. Why would they be illegal (serious question).
They work well from cold, they are not race pads (or EBCs which don't work when you drive 100m down your road and granny steps out in front of you).
Like I said Peninsula supply them, and the other place I mentioned earlier in the thread.
P.S. I cannot believe Mintex don't do 1144 for the Chimaera/Griff - these calipers are the same as the Sierra, Escort and lots of other Fords from the 80s and early 90s.
They work well from cold, they are not race pads (or EBCs which don't work when you drive 100m down your road and granny steps out in front of you).
Like I said Peninsula supply them, and the other place I mentioned earlier in the thread.
P.S. I cannot believe Mintex don't do 1144 for the Chimaera/Griff - these calipers are the same as the Sierra, Escort and lots of other Fords from the 80s and early 90s.
targarama said:
DS2500 are fast road pads. They're fine on the road to the best of my knowledge. Why would they be illegal (serious question).
They work well from cold, they are not race pads (or EBCs which don't work when you drive 100m down your road and granny steps out in front of you).
Like I said Peninsula supply them, and the other place I mentioned earlier in the thread.
P.S. I cannot believe Mintex don't do 1144 for the Chimaera/Griff - these calipers are the same as the Sierra, Escort and lots of other Fords from the 80s and early 90s.
I'm not suggesting they are not good - far from it, I think they are excellent. I'd love to be able to repeat the explanation but my small brain only manages to retain so much!
It has something to do with type approval (Reg 90??) and the fact that cars produced after a certain date (circa 2000??) must have pads that have this type approval. My car's a 1996 and so this doesn't apply to me so I automatically forgot all the detail! I spoke to Ferodo direct and also the importer of the competition pads (Ferodo UK have little to do with the competition stuff). Both contacts explained this to me.
When I say competition I do not mean they should not be used on the road - it's how Ferodo describe them IIRC. In my experience the DS2500 is a superb product that has excellent bite from cold and is great on track. I have managed to destroy a set of rear pads though which may have been a faulty batch - Ferodo suggested I send them back to the importer to get them tested which I've been too lazy to do. The importer is extremely helpful and sells direct to the public. Places like Peninsula will no doubt get them from him (the last time I arranged for them to be sent to Peninsula myself).
I've run a full set of DS3000 (full on race pads) on my Wedge for road and track days within the past couple of years. At no stage can I remember being asked the age of the vehicle by the suppliers, and there was no suggestion from Ferodo who I contacted direct that there were restrictions on road use. They have a very high coeficient of grip compared to most other pads, and a very high metal content, so they squeal like hell and chew rotors, but do have reasonable cold performance. I'll be going for the 2500 type when I'm through with the current pads.
7.
7.
Of no use to you rnd - hope the EBC Reds are good.
For anyone else - the suppliers of Ferodo competition pads that I couldn't remember earlier are www.circuitsupplies.com
No. 7 - the Ferodo web site makes it clear DS3000 is not for road use but to be fair it doesn't go into any detail.
For anyone else - the suppliers of Ferodo competition pads that I couldn't remember earlier are www.circuitsupplies.com
No. 7 - the Ferodo web site makes it clear DS3000 is not for road use but to be fair it doesn't go into any detail.
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