Tesla 13 tonne lithium battery fire
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Nasty little fire down under. They can't put it out as that would prolong the process. How can anyone sleep at night with an EV charging in their garage?
Key points:
A 13-tonne Tesla lithium battery is on fire near Geelong.
The battery was expected to be ready later this year.
It was due to be the biggest battery in the southern hemisphere.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/tesla-batte...
Key points:
A 13-tonne Tesla lithium battery is on fire near Geelong.
The battery was expected to be ready later this year.
It was due to be the biggest battery in the southern hemisphere.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/tesla-batte...
The same way people sleep with a few gallons of petrol and mains-gas in the house?
I'm surprised how poor the procedure is for addressing the fire, doesn't seem to have been given much consideration in the design.
Lithium Ion (NMC) batteries are safe, but LiFePO4 battery chemisty is far better at avoiding thermal events, and is used by most non-Tesla home battery storage systems, as well as the China-made, UK-market Tesla Model 3. I suspect we'll see more companies using the LFP type as manufacturers move away from cobalt.
I'm surprised how poor the procedure is for addressing the fire, doesn't seem to have been given much consideration in the design.
Lithium Ion (NMC) batteries are safe, but LiFePO4 battery chemisty is far better at avoiding thermal events, and is used by most non-Tesla home battery storage systems, as well as the China-made, UK-market Tesla Model 3. I suspect we'll see more companies using the LFP type as manufacturers move away from cobalt.
deeps said:
How can anyone sleep at night with an EV charging in their garage?
You're going to s
t yourself when you find out about the witchcraft that gets pumped into your home!! I hear it heats your water &cooks your food, but will take out the neighbourhood if it goes wrong!!! 
BAN IT ALL!!
fool.
Interesting they just let it burn, I guess they don't want to damage other batteries. It is weird how they didn't build a suppression system around them, I guess it is cost. They can be put out.
It does seem very cheap not to have something in place, and Australia isn't exactly a mild climate..
It does seem very cheap not to have something in place, and Australia isn't exactly a mild climate..
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 31st July 08:29
deeps said:
How can anyone sleep at night with an EV charging in their garage?
Wait till you find out about PETROL and what it can do
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buncefield_fire
ANYWAY
It's bonfire night soon and i can't find my lighter
Anyone got a Vauxhall zafira?
The Spruce Goose said:
Interesting they just let it burn, I guess they don't want to damage other batteries. It is weird how they didn't build a suppression system around them, I guess it is cost. They can be put out.
It does seem very cheap not to have something in place, and Australia isn't exactly a mild climate..
TBH I assumed something like a gantry crane could be in place, useful for maintenance too I'm sure, isolate the unit, lift it out of place drop it in a big bucket of water.It does seem very cheap not to have something in place, and Australia isn't exactly a mild climate..
Edited by The Spruce Goose on Saturday 31st July 08:29
Evanivitch said:
TBH I assumed something like a gantry crane could be in place, useful for maintenance too I'm sure, isolate the unit, lift it out of place drop it in a big bucket of water.
I remember my science teacher chucking lithium in the river, it fizzed and produces hydrogen...The Spruce Goose said:
Evanivitch said:
TBH I assumed something like a gantry crane could be in place, useful for maintenance too I'm sure, isolate the unit, lift it out of place drop it in a big bucket of water.
I remember my science teacher chucking lithium in the river, it fizzed and produces hydrogen...Fatboy said:
The Spruce Goose said:
Evanivitch said:
TBH I assumed something like a gantry crane could be in place, useful for maintenance too I'm sure, isolate the unit, lift it out of place drop it in a big bucket of water.
I remember my science teacher chucking lithium in the river, it fizzed and produces hydrogen...The problem they have now is keeping the adjacent units cool enough that they don't also go up in a cascading effect.
Maybe they are currently spraying water on them to keep them cool.
I suspect if the domino effect does happen more clearance between units or brick walls/bunding etc might be mandated.
Maybe they are currently spraying water on them to keep them cool.
I suspect if the domino effect does happen more clearance between units or brick walls/bunding etc might be mandated.
peterperkins said:
The problem they have now is keeping the adjacent units cool enough that they don't also go up in a cascading effect.
Maybe they are currently spraying water on them to keep them cool.
I suspect if the domino effect does happen more clearance between units or brick walls/bunding etc might be mandated.
The fire chief in the video says the one next to it is burning as well so they may struggle if thay can't stop that one spreading.Maybe they are currently spraying water on them to keep them cool.
I suspect if the domino effect does happen more clearance between units or brick walls/bunding etc might be mandated.
The Spruce Goose said:
Evanivitch said:
TBH I assumed something like a gantry crane could be in place, useful for maintenance too I'm sure, isolate the unit, lift it out of place drop it in a big bucket of water.
I remember my science teacher chucking lithium in the river, it fizzed and produces hydrogen...Dunking an EV with thermal runaway in a skip of water is used by some fire departments.
Fatboy said:
The Spruce Goose said:
Evanivitch said:
TBH I assumed something like a gantry crane could be in place, useful for maintenance too I'm sure, isolate the unit, lift it out of place drop it in a big bucket of water.
I remember my science teacher chucking lithium in the river, it fizzed and produces hydrogen...I designed and installed a battery supression system for a client that has a 1,000 litre liquid nitrogen resevoir and a set of high pressure pneumaticaly driven hollow stainless steel "spears" that can be triggered to pierce the battery and inject the liquid nitrogen at -196 degC, directly into the battery to literally put the reaction out by removing the heat faster than it can be generated!
But this is for a case where the battery is necesarily housed in a critical environment and cannot be allowed to burn.
In the case of this system fire in Oz, there is no point in going to such lengths, just let it burn. And in this case, the adjacient modules have not caught fire so it looks like there physical seperation was sufficient.
deeps said:
. How can anyone sleep at night with an EV charging in their garage?
Irony overload given there is an extremely good chance that the OP typed this ^^^ on a phone or laptop, which has of course, it's own Lithium battery in it, and which probably sits all night long charging on the bedside table without a thought in the world..........Max_Torque said:
NOPE.
I designed and installed a battery supression system for a client that has a 1,000 litre liquid nitrogen resevoir and a set of high pressure pneumaticaly driven hollow stainless steel "spears" that can be triggered to pierce the battery and inject the liquid nitrogen at -196 degC, directly into the battery to literally put the reaction out by removing the heat faster than it can be generated!
But this is for a case where the battery is necesarily housed in a critical environment and cannot be allowed to burn.
In the case of this system fire in Oz, there is no point in going to such lengths, just let it burn. And in this case, the adjacient modules have not caught fire so it looks like there physical seperation was sufficient.
please tell me the testing of this involved at least one watermelonI designed and installed a battery supression system for a client that has a 1,000 litre liquid nitrogen resevoir and a set of high pressure pneumaticaly driven hollow stainless steel "spears" that can be triggered to pierce the battery and inject the liquid nitrogen at -196 degC, directly into the battery to literally put the reaction out by removing the heat faster than it can be generated!
But this is for a case where the battery is necesarily housed in a critical environment and cannot be allowed to burn.
In the case of this system fire in Oz, there is no point in going to such lengths, just let it burn. And in this case, the adjacient modules have not caught fire so it looks like there physical seperation was sufficient.
frisbee said:
Horses don't catch fire...
Seems they do in the Southern Hemisphere.https://burninghorse.co.nz/
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