14 day rule fixed penalty notice
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I've had a fixed penalty notice for a number plate infringement (amazingly they managed to identify my vehicle).
Date of offence was 16/7/21 date of issue 30/7/21 and received it today 31st.
Does the 14 day rule apply here? It's a £100 fine and no points so I'm wondering even if it did is it worth the hassle of going to court and contest with the risk of ending up paying more.
Date of offence was 16/7/21 date of issue 30/7/21 and received it today 31st.
Does the 14 day rule apply here? It's a £100 fine and no points so I'm wondering even if it did is it worth the hassle of going to court and contest with the risk of ending up paying more.
olo tation said:
LosingGrip said:
Not an offence that requires a NIP.
The top of the letter states notice of intended prosecution...If they've sent you a NIP, it will likely be purely for their convenience, not because they were obliged to.
olo tation said:
Understood... thanks for the replies. I'll take it on the chin as I knew one was likely at some point.
Genuine question, why are you knowingly trying to hide the identity of your vehicle? The fact you've said you're surprised they've managed to identify you suggests you've gone to great lengths to try and prevent it.
I'm honestly not looking for an argument, it's something I've never understood.
olo tation said:
I've had a fixed penalty notice for a number plate infringement (amazingly they managed to identify my vehicle).....
Was there any reason why "they" might not be able to identify your vehicle? - i.e: Do your registration plates not comply exactly with the requirements of the Law? What was the alleged infringement?
olo tation said:
Date of offence was 16/7/21 date of issue 30/7/21 and received it today 31st.
Does the 14 day rule apply here? .
Does the 14 day rule apply here? .
As others have pointed out - There is no 14 day limit for registration plate prosecutions.
olo tation said:
It's a £100 fine and no points so I'm wondering even if it did is it worth the hassle of going to court and contest with the risk of ending up paying more.
Again - Do your registration plates not comply exactly with the requirements of the Law?If the answer is:
1) "No they don't": Take a wild guess
2) "I thought they did, but it appears they don't" : Don't waste everybody's time - Just pay up.
3) "Yes, they comply completely with the Law": Feel free to fight your case if you think you're being wrongly prosecuted (Check your facts about your plates carefully first though)
4) "I don't really know": Check if they comply with the Law or not first, and then apply the answer given to 1), 2) or 3) above.
At the end of the day, there must have been some reason why they've decided to prosecute you, so again: What was the alleged infringement?
DaveH23 said:
olo tation said:
Understood... thanks for the replies. I'll take it on the chin as I knew one was likely at some point.
Genuine question, why are you knowingly trying to hide the identity of your vehicle? The fact you've said you're surprised they've managed to identify you suggests you've gone to great lengths to try and prevent it.
I'm honestly not looking for an argument, it's something I've never understood.
rigga said:
I think its the other way round, he has a mis spaced plate or the like, but it was easily readable enough for the reg to be read and identified, so not as if it was unreadable.
This. Its just got a mis-space. Sarcasm doesn't always read too well on the internet.I know its not legal but it's completely legible and if anything the way its spaced makes it even easier to identify and remember. It's not harming anyone other than people who take offence at mis-spaced number plates... and my wallet, but if it takes as long for me to get another charge then I can live with it.
Edited by olo tation on Saturday 31st July 16:00
Ignoring the law for a moment, and taking the opposite ends of the scale, there are two interpretations of number plates - let's say
GG51 MTH (as found on Google).
It could be spaced
GG 51MTH which I would presume is to try to spell out G G Simth - or maybe not. Even worse, it might be G G Smith?
I can only ever see it as GG 51MTH which means nothing. And as it is non-standard spacing, it also looks stupid (to me) as the person has broken the law to re-space their place to something that still is just a jumble of letters and numbers that don't read as anything. A 5 is a 5. It is not an S, ever. An S is a different character, that's why a 5 and an S are different shapes.
There are also a lot of other people for whom an S is a 5 and a 1 is an I and this is a great re-interpretation of their plate.
And one group can never persuade the other that their perspective makes sense.
[In Myers Briggs, those that see the detailed letters and not the bigger picture would be classified as Observant (S) whereas those seeing the 'picture' would be Intuitive (N)].
GG51 MTH (as found on Google).
It could be spaced
GG 51MTH which I would presume is to try to spell out G G Simth - or maybe not. Even worse, it might be G G Smith?
I can only ever see it as GG 51MTH which means nothing. And as it is non-standard spacing, it also looks stupid (to me) as the person has broken the law to re-space their place to something that still is just a jumble of letters and numbers that don't read as anything. A 5 is a 5. It is not an S, ever. An S is a different character, that's why a 5 and an S are different shapes.
There are also a lot of other people for whom an S is a 5 and a 1 is an I and this is a great re-interpretation of their plate.
And one group can never persuade the other that their perspective makes sense.
[In Myers Briggs, those that see the detailed letters and not the bigger picture would be classified as Observant (S) whereas those seeing the 'picture' would be Intuitive (N)].
Edited by CharlesElliott on Saturday 31st July 21:04
olo tation said:
This. Its just got a mis-space. Sarcasm doesn't always read too well on the internet.
I know its not legal but it's completely legible and if anything the way its spaced makes it even easier to identify and remember. It's not harming anyone other than people who take offence at mis-spaced number plates... and my wallet, but if it takes as long for me to get another charge then I can live with it.
Beware the DVLA can withdraw the use of the plate for repeat offences and it used to be the case that the vehicle in question was then given a Q plate and the option to ever assign another plate to the specific vehicle was lost. Does wonders for the used value and loses you what may have been a costly plate. So a double Whammy. Happened to a relation 25 years ago, on his 3rd offence, so not sure if that is still applicable todayI know its not legal but it's completely legible and if anything the way its spaced makes it even easier to identify and remember. It's not harming anyone other than people who take offence at mis-spaced number plates... and my wallet, but if it takes as long for me to get another charge then I can live with it.
Edited by olo tation on Saturday 31st July 16:00
martinbiz said:
Beware the DVLA can withdraw the use of the plate for repeat offences and it used to be the case that the vehicle in question was then given a Q plate and the option to ever assign another plate to the specific vehicle was lost. Does wonders for the used value and loses you what may have been a costly plate. So a double Whammy. Happened to a relation 25 years ago, on his 3rd offence, so not sure if that is still applicable today
The Q plate bit has never happened. It can't. DVLA will reassign the original plate if it hasn't been reallocated , or if that has happened ( unlikely but possible ) then an appropriate age related plate will be issued. Q plates are only issued if the age or identity of the vehicle is in doubt. Sadly you're perpetuating yet another urban myth.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff