Toughest car on sale?
Toughest car on sale?
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kbf1981

Original Poster:

2,331 posts

220 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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What would you say is the best built, most reliable, most rugged off road car presently on sale in the UK today?

Ivan stewart

2,792 posts

56 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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Jeep Wrangler

MustangGT

13,574 posts

300 months

Monday 2nd August 2021
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Ivan stewart said:
Jeep Wrangler
Fully agree

InitialDave

14,102 posts

139 months

Monday 2nd August 2021
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The Jimny.

SlimJim16v

7,190 posts

163 months

Monday 2nd August 2021
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G Wagon?

ConnectionError

2,162 posts

89 months

Monday 2nd August 2021
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Toyota Hilux,

snowandrocks

1,054 posts

162 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Depends on exactly what you mean by toughest. Land Cruiser or Hilux definitely up there though - easily the best built and most reliable I think.

generationx

8,679 posts

125 months

Wednesday 4th August 2021
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Lada Niva

anonymous-user

74 months

Thursday 5th August 2021
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New Defender...??

[Runs for cover....]

V10 SPM

606 posts

271 months

Friday 19th November 2021
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generationx said:
Lada Niva
I never associated a Lada with the phrase "best built"...

generationx

8,679 posts

125 months

Friday 19th November 2021
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V10 SPM said:
generationx said:
Lada Niva
I never associated a Lada with the phrase "best built"...
The question is “toughest”….

Over over under steer

760 posts

143 months

Friday 19th November 2021
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One of:

Hilux
Land Cruiser
Jimny
Wrangler
Defender (save for reliability issues)

camel_landy

5,310 posts

203 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Unimog

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Trevor555

4,938 posts

104 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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OP did you get something in the end?

I asked a dealer exactly this once, he said G wagon if the budget allows.


Desiderata

2,738 posts

74 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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The reason the Landrover (series and defenders) were popular wasn't that they were tough or reliable, it was that when they did break/ rust/ get bumped, everything was replaceable relatively easily and cheaply so that your 1955 series could still be good as new in 2021 or whenever.
The reason Toyotas are popular is that they are tough and reliable, unfortunately just a bit more expensive to repair when things do go wrong to repair (I've no personal experience of G-Wagens but I'd imagine it's a similar situation.
The reason Nivas, Jimmy's etc are popular is that they are (relatively) cheap to to renew when things do go wrong so they get used the way they were meant to be.
(Proper) Jeeps are a reasonable compromise, not too dear to buy, relatively tough, and relatively cheap to repair.
I've always thought that a better quality Landrover which still sticks to the principles of simplicity and fixability would be great and I think that's what Ineos are going for. Whether it'll work out or not remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, I've been treating my imagination looking at brand new Russian imports of UAZs this morning.

V10 SPM

606 posts

271 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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generationx said:
V10 SPM said:
generationx said:
Lada Niva
I never associated a Lada with the phrase "best built"...
The question is “toughest”….
I thought the question was "What would you say is the best built, most reliable, most rugged off road car presently on sale in the UK today?"

V10 SPM

606 posts

271 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Desiderata said:
The reason the Landrover (series and defenders) were popular wasn't that they were tough or reliable, it was that when they did break/ rust/ get bumped, everything was replaceable relatively easily and cheaply so that your 1955 series could still be good as new in 2021 or whenever.
The reason Toyotas are popular is that they are tough and reliable, unfortunately just a bit more expensive to repair when things do go wrong to repair (I've no personal experience of G-Wagens but I'd imagine it's a similar situation.
The reason Nivas, Jimmy's etc are popular is that they are (relatively) cheap to to renew when things do go wrong so they get used the way they were meant to be.
(Proper) Jeeps are a reasonable compromise, not too dear to buy, relatively tough, and relatively cheap to repair.
I've always thought that a better quality Landrover which still sticks to the principles of simplicity and fixability would be great and I think that's what Ineos are going for. Whether it'll work out or not remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, I've been treating my imagination looking at brand new Russian imports of UAZs this morning.
Although the UAZ is reasonable robust, it mainly falls into the category of easy to repair if anything goes wrong rather than being well built or reliable.

snowandrocks

1,054 posts

162 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Desiderata said:
I've always thought that a better quality Landrover which still sticks to the principles of simplicity and fixability would be great and I think that's what Ineos are going for. Whether it'll work out or not remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, I've been treating my imagination looking at brand new Russian imports of UAZs this morning.
I think the Land Cruiser 70 series is your real answer there. Basically a properly engineered and built original Defender.

Toyota UK are more interested in the Yaris market so no hope of the really good stuff coming to the UK. Base spec Hilux is probably quite a good compromise - tough, reliable, pretty basic but still as usable as any other modern car.

I quite fancy one of those little UAZ 4x4 vans - spent a bit of time in one in mongolia and was always impressed with where it managed to go.

Walter Sobchak

5,732 posts

244 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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snowandrocks said:
Toyota UK are more interested in the Yaris market so no hope of the really good stuff coming to the UK. Base spec Hilux is probably quite a good compromise - tough, reliable, pretty basic but still as usable as any other modern car.
I still think it’s a shame they won’t sell the new 300 Series proper Landcruiser here, it looks like a great bit of kit.
It doesn’t really matter as I couldn’t afford one anyway but I wouldn’t have minded picking up one with about 200k miles on in 10 years time, thanks Toyota!.