997 GTS or 991.1 GTS or New 718 GT4 experiences and advice?
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Evening guys/girls,
Please can I have some opinions on the above cars and any experiences some of you may have had?
All PDK cars and Coupes(911)
I am after my first Porsche, will be a weekend car and sometimes hardly used.
The rear seats of the 911 are a bonus but having seen photos of carseats they appear to be quite tight and don't know how my 1 year old and 5 year old would be hence why the GT4 has come into the equation.
Price wise: 997 GTS 65-70k, 991 GTS 80-85k and finally GT4 specced ~£86k.
All cars will depreciate but where will my money be the safest? I don't want to get caught in the current used car bubble.
Cheers
Please can I have some opinions on the above cars and any experiences some of you may have had?
All PDK cars and Coupes(911)
I am after my first Porsche, will be a weekend car and sometimes hardly used.
The rear seats of the 911 are a bonus but having seen photos of carseats they appear to be quite tight and don't know how my 1 year old and 5 year old would be hence why the GT4 has come into the equation.
Price wise: 997 GTS 65-70k, 991 GTS 80-85k and finally GT4 specced ~£86k.
All cars will depreciate but where will my money be the safest? I don't want to get caught in the current used car bubble.
Cheers
If one of your primary concerns is the used car bubble (and I agree there is one) don’t buy used…
If you could be more specific then It would certainly help:
1) specifically around when you want to buy. Most (including myself) expect the typical seasonal cool off in winter. Could realign pricing.
2) For example do you you mean 997 GTS PDK? Manual like hens teeth, could therefore hold value better but small market for them.
Etc etc
I for one would have absolutely no interest in paying £10k plus more for a 997/991 than they were a year ago (or around turn of the year)
If you could be more specific then It would certainly help:
1) specifically around when you want to buy. Most (including myself) expect the typical seasonal cool off in winter. Could realign pricing.
2) For example do you you mean 997 GTS PDK? Manual like hens teeth, could therefore hold value better but small market for them.
Etc etc
I for one would have absolutely no interest in paying £10k plus more for a 997/991 than they were a year ago (or around turn of the year)
Edited by RichDS on Sunday 1st August 21:43
Edited by RichDS on Sunday 1st August 21:43
Good luck getting an allocation of a new GT4 just walking in with no history. That leaves you with something second hand. Out of them id go for the 991.1 GTS over the 997. Both great, but for a little extraid buy the 991. Fantastic engine and exhaust note. Manual if you can get it, but the PDK is great.
jzma said:
Evening guys/girls,
Please can I have some opinions on the above cars and any experiences some of you may have had?
All PDK cars and Coupes(911)
I am after my first Porsche, will be a weekend car and sometimes hardly used.
The rear seats of the 911 are a bonus but having seen photos of carseats they appear to be quite tight and don't know how my 1 year old and 5 year old would be hence why the GT4 has come into the equation.
Price wise: 997 GTS 65-70k, 991 GTS 80-85k and finally GT4 specced ~£86k.
All cars will depreciate but where will my money be the safest? I don't want to get caught in the current used car bubble.
Cheers
this is all you needPlease can I have some opinions on the above cars and any experiences some of you may have had?
All PDK cars and Coupes(911)
I am after my first Porsche, will be a weekend car and sometimes hardly used.
The rear seats of the 911 are a bonus but having seen photos of carseats they appear to be quite tight and don't know how my 1 year old and 5 year old would be hence why the GT4 has come into the equation.
Price wise: 997 GTS 65-70k, 991 GTS 80-85k and finally GT4 specced ~£86k.
All cars will depreciate but where will my money be the safest? I don't want to get caught in the current used car bubble.
Cheers
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12047351
991.1 C2 GTS, PDK, non sunroof, with the 20mm suspension drop. IMO the best all round road 911. I'm 70k miles and 6 years in to mine. I had a manual one and the gearshift is awful. I also had a panoramic sunroof one and it was soggy and sloppy. I also had a 991.2 C2GTS and it wasn't as sharp. Also had a 997 C2S, 991.2 T, 718 GTS and numerous GT3 and GT3 RS of all years. The 991.1 C2 GTS pdk non sunroof, 20mm drop, has outstayed them all.
Did the comparison last year, 991.1 GTS and 997.2GTS, as I don't use it much involvement was important to me, so manual was my pref over PDK, drove both, 991 extensively as friend had one. I ended up with a 997, not entirely sure why, slightly smaller, slightly more analogue, albeit I would stumbled across a 991 Carerra T that was suprisingly ace too and would be a consideration. all of these now sit at a 20% premium to last years values for the same car/same miles... I have a 6 year and 10 year old and they fit in the 997 fine for <2hr trips.
I've had limited time in a 991.1 CS PDK and done big miles/trips on my 997 GTS PDK - to be quite honest, the 997 is more than refined enough and neither is a patch on a comfy larger car anyway so you'd be splitting hairs.
The 997 feels way more special to get into and drive, small enough, fast enough and sounds just as good w/ an exhaust bypass fitted (standard the 997 is a bit too quiet).
A 718 GT4 is quite a different proposition to either of them, unless you care for rear seats or specifically want a 911 the GT4 I reckon is the better car. Can't see residuals on a GT4 being any worse really compared to a 911 GTS, both are quite desirable in the current market.
The 997 feels way more special to get into and drive, small enough, fast enough and sounds just as good w/ an exhaust bypass fitted (standard the 997 is a bit too quiet).
A 718 GT4 is quite a different proposition to either of them, unless you care for rear seats or specifically want a 911 the GT4 I reckon is the better car. Can't see residuals on a GT4 being any worse really compared to a 911 GTS, both are quite desirable in the current market.
I'm a tad biased, but 997GTS manual every time. I had my kids in the back of mine from baby seats up to age around 10 with no problems. For me the 991 felt a little too modern and lacking involvement. Quicker than 997, but speed isn't everything and in real world conditions I'd happily swop the (unuseable) extra speed for the analogue involvement of the 997.
I'm a tad biased, but 997GTS manual every time. I had my kids in the back of mine from baby seats up to age around 10 with no problems. For me the 991 felt a little too modern and lacking involvement. Quicker than 997, but speed isn't everything and in real world conditions I'd happily swop the (unuseable) extra speed for the analogue involvement of the 997.
julian987R said:
jzma said:
Evening guys/girls,
Please can I have some opinions on the above cars and any experiences some of you may have had?
All PDK cars and Coupes(911)
I am after my first Porsche, will be a weekend car and sometimes hardly used.
The rear seats of the 911 are a bonus but having seen photos of carseats they appear to be quite tight and don't know how my 1 year old and 5 year old would be hence why the GT4 has come into the equation.
Price wise: 997 GTS 65-70k, 991 GTS 80-85k and finally GT4 specced ~£86k.
All cars will depreciate but where will my money be the safest? I don't want to get caught in the current used car bubble.
Cheers
this is all you needPlease can I have some opinions on the above cars and any experiences some of you may have had?
All PDK cars and Coupes(911)
I am after my first Porsche, will be a weekend car and sometimes hardly used.
The rear seats of the 911 are a bonus but having seen photos of carseats they appear to be quite tight and don't know how my 1 year old and 5 year old would be hence why the GT4 has come into the equation.
Price wise: 997 GTS 65-70k, 991 GTS 80-85k and finally GT4 specced ~£86k.
All cars will depreciate but where will my money be the safest? I don't want to get caught in the current used car bubble.
Cheers
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12047351
Cheib said:
julian987R said:
jzma said:
Evening guys/girls,
Please can I have some opinions on the above cars and any experiences some of you may have had?
All PDK cars and Coupes(911)
I am after my first Porsche, will be a weekend car and sometimes hardly used.
The rear seats of the 911 are a bonus but having seen photos of carseats they appear to be quite tight and don't know how my 1 year old and 5 year old would be hence why the GT4 has come into the equation.
Price wise: 997 GTS 65-70k, 991 GTS 80-85k and finally GT4 specced ~£86k.
All cars will depreciate but where will my money be the safest? I don't want to get caught in the current used car bubble.
Cheers
this is all you needPlease can I have some opinions on the above cars and any experiences some of you may have had?
All PDK cars and Coupes(911)
I am after my first Porsche, will be a weekend car and sometimes hardly used.
The rear seats of the 911 are a bonus but having seen photos of carseats they appear to be quite tight and don't know how my 1 year old and 5 year old would be hence why the GT4 has come into the equation.
Price wise: 997 GTS 65-70k, 991 GTS 80-85k and finally GT4 specced ~£86k.
All cars will depreciate but where will my money be the safest? I don't want to get caught in the current used car bubble.
Cheers
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12047351
Evening chaps,
Thank you all for taking your time to reply.
Whichever model I get will be the PDK version and I will not consider anything less than a GTS.
If I go down the 997 GTS route I would like the approved warranty but I will only be able to enjoy this for 4 years as I cannot renew once they are 15 years old.
I agree with the post of not paying more for something that was less 12 months ago and this coupled with varying balloon payments at the end of the finance term is my biggest uncertainty. If there was a guaranteed balloon I would not hesitate at all.
And this brings me back to waiting to see if my GT4 slot materialises by which point it will be the end of 2021 or early 2022, if it does then great but if not hopefully I can reassess the used car market.
The other spanner in the works is the talk of a GT4 RS which will also cause a hit on the GT4 market.
Thanks again.
Thank you all for taking your time to reply.
Whichever model I get will be the PDK version and I will not consider anything less than a GTS.
If I go down the 997 GTS route I would like the approved warranty but I will only be able to enjoy this for 4 years as I cannot renew once they are 15 years old.
I agree with the post of not paying more for something that was less 12 months ago and this coupled with varying balloon payments at the end of the finance term is my biggest uncertainty. If there was a guaranteed balloon I would not hesitate at all.
And this brings me back to waiting to see if my GT4 slot materialises by which point it will be the end of 2021 or early 2022, if it does then great but if not hopefully I can reassess the used car market.
The other spanner in the works is the talk of a GT4 RS which will also cause a hit on the GT4 market.
Thanks again.
jzma said:
Evening chaps,
The other spanner in the works is the talk of a GT4 RS which will also cause a hit on the GT4 market.
There won't be enough of them produced to affect the GT4 market. I expect most of them to go each OPC's usual 911 RS customers, not current GT4 owners stepping up, therefore there won't be a pile of trade-ins flooding the market.The other spanner in the works is the talk of a GT4 RS which will also cause a hit on the GT4 market.
jzma said:
Evening chaps,
Thank you all for taking your time to reply.
Whichever model I get will be the PDK version and I will not consider anything less than a GTS.
If I go down the 997 GTS route I would like the approved warranty but I will only be able to enjoy this for 4 years as I cannot renew once they are 15 years old.
I agree with the post of not paying more for something that was less 12 months ago and this coupled with varying balloon payments at the end of the finance term is my biggest uncertainty. If there was a guaranteed balloon I would not hesitate at all.
And this brings me back to waiting to see if my GT4 slot materialises by which point it will be the end of 2021 or early 2022, if it does then great but if not hopefully I can reassess the used car market.
The other spanner in the works is the talk of a GT4 RS which will also cause a hit on the GT4 market.
Thanks again.
Only thing I would say about 997.2 PDK is that it feels very slow when compared to newer versions of PDK, just make sure you try it first.Thank you all for taking your time to reply.
Whichever model I get will be the PDK version and I will not consider anything less than a GTS.
If I go down the 997 GTS route I would like the approved warranty but I will only be able to enjoy this for 4 years as I cannot renew once they are 15 years old.
I agree with the post of not paying more for something that was less 12 months ago and this coupled with varying balloon payments at the end of the finance term is my biggest uncertainty. If there was a guaranteed balloon I would not hesitate at all.
And this brings me back to waiting to see if my GT4 slot materialises by which point it will be the end of 2021 or early 2022, if it does then great but if not hopefully I can reassess the used car market.
The other spanner in the works is the talk of a GT4 RS which will also cause a hit on the GT4 market.
Thanks again.
I had one a 997.2 C2S from new when PDK was first launched was amazing at the time, yet I drove one a couple of years back and was staggered how slow it felt.
For a 997, I think it has to be manual.
Sod the kids - GT4 all day long. Second hand nearly new ones can be had for Circa £75-£80k
Depreciation proof at the minute if you look after it and you can take one child out at a time !!
The GT4 RS will IMHO have no effect on GT4 prices as the RS is the halo model in low numbers and will simply attract a premium over a normal non RS model.
Depreciation proof at the minute if you look after it and you can take one child out at a time !!
The GT4 RS will IMHO have no effect on GT4 prices as the RS is the halo model in low numbers and will simply attract a premium over a normal non RS model.
This is a chalk or cheese choice isn’t it? The GTS cars of either generation are larger, four seats, road focussed cars. The GT4 is a two seater smaller car which is at least as comfortable on a track as the road.
A 997 GTS might suffer less depreciation in the short term than the other two simply because it’s suffered most of its depreciation already. But I would guess that in the long term the GT4 is the best bet for your money.
A 997 GTS might suffer less depreciation in the short term than the other two simply because it’s suffered most of its depreciation already. But I would guess that in the long term the GT4 is the best bet for your money.
If you want PDK OP I’d go 991.1 GTS if you can’t get a GT4. 991 PDK box is better than the 997 and one of manual gearbox is one of the big positives of the 997 over the 991 which obviously doesn’t matter for you. Only thing I would say is that I distinctly remember when people started getting 991.2 GTS’s how they all raved on here about how much better it was than the 991.1 
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