'Spectator v Rashford - insight how the 'journalism' works

[robscot]

Apologies for quoting the first para - link only now but well worth a read: https://sunbeamsoutofcucumbers.substack.com/p/what...



(TIL you can't quote blogs on PH due to copyright, unless its on the covid threads 👀 )

[bitchstewie]

If it's true it's a thing of beauty isn't it

[Oakey]

robscot said:

Apologies for quoting the first para - link only now but well worth a read: https://sunbeamsoutofcucumbers.substack.com/p/what...



(TIL you can't quote blogs on PH due to copyright, unless its on the covid threads ?? )

Look, I'm infringing your IP by quoting you now!

[biggbn]

Brilliant, true or not!

[Chrishum]

I found that blog incredibly hard to read and am still non the wiser about what the purpose of it was

[smn159]

The Spectator really do seem to be in a race to the bottom and pandering to the most brainless members of society.

[FunkyNige]

Chrishum said:

I found that blog incredibly hard to read and am still non the wiser about what the purpose of it was

Spectator wanted people to send them stories about "woke culture"
Journalist makes up some stories and sends them in to troll them
Spectator believes a story about Rashford
Spectator writes a story about Rashford but pulls it when he finds out and the Spectator have no proof it's true


I imagine this happens more than we think, especially if the only evidence is from "a source close to".

[biggbn]

FunkyNige said:

Chrishum said:

I found that blog incredibly hard to read and am still non the wiser about what the purpose of it was

Spectator wanted people to send them stories about "woke culture"
Journalist makes up some stories and sends them in to troll them
Spectator believes a story about Rashford
Spectator writes a story about Rashford but pulls it when he finds out and the Spectator have no proof it's true


I imagine this happens more than we think, especially if the only evidence is from "a source close to".

Just shows that as much as readers read what validates their beliefs, newspapers find material that validates their own stance and in turn will validates that of their readers, and so the wheel turns.

[Chrishum]

FunkyNige said:

Spectator wanted people to send them stories about "woke culture"
Journalist makes up some stories and sends them in to troll them
Spectator believes a story about Rashford
Spectator writes a story about Rashford but pulls it when he finds out and the Spectator have no proof it's true


I imagine this happens more than we think, especially if the only evidence is from "a source close to".

Ah I see that makes far more sense.

[bodhi]

FunkyNige said:

Spectator wanted people to send them stories about "woke culture"
Journalist makes up some stories and sends them in to troll them
Spectator believes a story about Rashford
Spectator writes a story about Rashford but pulls it when he finds out and the Spectator have no proof it's true


I imagine this happens more than we think, especially if the only evidence is from "a source close to".

I have absolutely no doubt that it does, however fair play to The Spectator for pulling the story when they found out it wasn't accurate. If it had been a less honest publication, such as The Byline Times, they would have printed it anyway.

But Jesus that blog is a rambling, unreadable mess. All I'm getting from it is the author is probably Left of Centre and has an impressively large chip on his shoulder, made up a story to sell to The Spectator, who fact checked it an eventually pulled it. Yet they're the bad guys, not the strange gentleman who made up the story in the first place, because as he admits, he was "bored in lockdown".

Most odd tbh.

[bigandclever]

‘Publisher in doesn’t print made up story’ shocker.

[conkerman]

smn159 said:

The Spectator really do seem to be in a race to the bottom and pandering to the most brainless members of society.

Tories?

[Evercross]

bigandclever said:

‘Publisher in doesn’t print made up story’ shocker.

This. Baiting a media outlet and being caught out lying doesn't make you the clever one.

I am guessing that we are supposed to side with the blogger because (alleged) racism.....? It is about time this st backfired on the people concerned (and I don't mean the magazine that didn't publish the fake article).

Something similar going on up here (Scotland) right now with the Health Minister Humza Yousef getting his wife to put fake applications in for Asian-sounding children for nursery places and then alleging they were knocked back because racism (probably to divert news attention from the worst-in-Europe drug-deaths figures that were announced at the start of this week), then going to the Daily Record with the exclusive.

Problem is the nursery he alleged is being racist is owned by an Asian and already had plenty Muslim children on its books. Yousef isn't the sharpest tool in the box and is now digging-in with his allegations......

Edited by Evercross on Friday 6th August 15:54

[Supercilious Sid]

Evercross said:

This. Baiting a media outlet and being caught out lying doesn't make you the clever one.

Edited by Evercross on Friday 6th August 15:54

Still, it gives the angry old frothers on here something to get self righteous about as they imagine the Speccie is the acme of evil.

[smn159]

Spectator seemed desperate for it to be true... does makes you wonder how much of the rest of the 'anti woke' stuff that they publish is made up as well

Keeps the culture warriors in a permanent state of rage I suppose, which is presumably the point of it.

[Evercross]

smn159 said:

Spectator seemed desperate for it to be true... does makes you wonder how much of the rest of the 'anti woke' stuff that they publish is made up as well.

Counter-productive argument.

If anything the blog proves that said media outlet checked the veracity of allegations before publishing them, so it would follow that very little if anything it publishes is 'made up', no?

[smn159]

Evercross said:

smn159 said:

Spectator seemed desperate for it to be true... does makes you wonder how much of the rest of the 'anti woke' stuff that they publish is made up as well.

Counter-productive argument.

If anything the blog proves that said media outlet checked the veracity of allegations before publishing them, so it would follow that very little if anything it publishes is 'made up', no?

Sounds like the only pulled it due to Rashford tweeting about it and getting thousands of re-tweets.

Anything less high profile would likely have been published.

Blog said:

who could have predicted that a magazine encouraging people with an axe to grind, to send in anonymous emails about “woke-culture war crimes” could end badly?

[Evercross]

smn159 said:

Sounds like the only pulled it due to Rashford tweeting about it and getting thousands of re-tweets.

Anything less high profile would likely have been published.

Listen to yourself - according to you an outlet that relies entirely on exposure for its revenue decided that something was going to give it too much exposure so pulled it?!?

Your mental gymnastics are entertaining!

How about it saw through the sting - maybe that's a more logical explanation?

[biggbn]

I suspect articles like this are the real reason the Spectator saw through the subterfuge EV. You and I both know the media is a dirty business and caters almost exclusively for its respective demographic. I'm sure they were running their hands, just as the Gruniad would be of someone sold them a step about Boris getting his cock stuck in a Foreman Grill/nanny/domesticated animal!!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/21/m...

Edited by biggbn on Friday 6th August 21:56

[bigandclever]

biggbn said:

I suspect articles like this are the real reason the Spectator saw through the subterfuge EV. You and I both know the media is a dirty business and caters almost exclusively for its respective demographic. I'm sure they were running their hands, just as the Gruniad would be of someone sold them a step about Boris getting his cock stuck in a Foreman Grill/nanny/domesticated animal!!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/21/m...

Edited by biggbn on Friday 6th August 21:56

Articles like what? Can’t be that guardian article because that’s pretty much Rashford’s tweets on the matter, verbatim, with a bit of fluff around the edges.