RE: MGB GT | The Brave Pill
RE: MGB GT | The Brave Pill
Saturday 7th August 2021

MGB GT | The Brave Pill

Faded grandeur, bargain price



Rabbie Burns almost certainly wasn't thinking of high-risk sports car purchases when he penned his famous line about the best laid schemes gannin' aft a-gley, not least because he was writing a century before Karl Benz had his three-wheeled brainwave. But that's pretty much what happened this week in the PH command bunker. Deputy Editor Bird's finger was poised above the big, green button that would have commissioned me to write about an enticingly priced Ferrari 575 Maranello, when news broke that there was a £2,950 MGB in the murkier depths of the classifieds. Scuzzier tastes prevailed, which is why you're getting rags rather than riches this week.

A classic car dealer once joked that the first thing that would happen after a nuclear apocalypse is that the cockroaches would start selling MGBs to each other. Plot a graph for the survival rates and the line is more like a topographical survey of Table Mountain than a bell curve. How Many Left reckons there are still nearly 24,000 in use and 14,000 on SORN - a higher combined total than the Porsche Boxster, despite the last B being built 41 years ago. They are pretty much unkillable, thanks to parts support comprehensive enough to allow functionally new examples to be built and an enthusiastic, hands-on following who often regard holes in the floorpan as minor flesh wounds.

The sheer ubiquity of the MGB makes it slightly unlikely that Brave Pill hasn't featured one before. There are actually three sub-£3,000 examples currently it the classifieds, but this one stands out for a couple of good reasons. Firstly, being a 1970 car, it is early enough to come with period-correct chrome and wire wheels in place of the rubber bumpers which made later cars look gawky and inelegant, and also legitimately wears silver on black numberplates. Also because although obviously in need of serious work, it looks like it might ultimately be turned into more than the sum of its faded parts.


It's not hard to be sniffy about MGBs. I used to be one of the sniffiest. In the relatively recent past most cars got old without becoming classics, with the few exceptions mostly elderly sports cars. Some of these were genuine, unarguable Grand Cru classics like Mercedes 300 SLs, Jaguar E-Type roadsters and the rarer Ferraris and Aston Martins that have always been catnip for millionaires. But in Blighty most were the cheaper, plentiful British models from the '60s and '70s: big Healeys, Sprites, Midgets, Triumph TRs and - above all - MGBs.

The B had been moderately advanced when it was introduced in 1963, featuring a monocoque structure instead of the MGA's separate chassis and being the first car designed with crumple zones. It could cruise at nearly 100mph on what were still limit-free motorways, and dispatch the 0-60 benchmark in what was a potent 12 seconds. But by the time the last rubber-bumper examples were assembled in Abingdon in 1980 it looked crude and old, the B-series engine never having grown any quicker and with a leaf-sprung rear axle that seemed archaic. Within a decade of the final one being built most survivors seemed to be polished like horse brasses and used almost exclusively to trundle slowly between country pubs.

A cruel stereotype? Yes, but with plenty of casual evidence to support it. When, well inside this century, I first drove an MGB for a classic magazine comparison its owner turned up wearing a cloth cap and string-backed driving gloves. Yet he was also friendly, knowledgeable, and cheerful in the face of the relentless banter from those who had brought more sophisticated rivals along: "I've heard most of the jokes about MGs, but I'm always looking for new ones."


The MGB itself, a chrome-bumper roadster, was also a modest revelation. I'd been expecting dynamic ineptitude, but although the driving experience was far from modern in terms of refinement and grip, the combination of light, accurate steering, a precise gearchange and a torquey engine made for an excellent low-intensity sports car. One that could deliver its modest thrills without even bending speed limits. It was also cheap to buy, run and insure, and every single part was readily available.

Classically minded buyers tender to prefer the B roadster for its hair-rustling ability to make low velocities feel quicker, but the fixed-roof GT offered the alternative of a proto-hatchback bodyshell and 2+2 practicality. A U.S. magazine once nominated it as one of the "most beautiful Pininfarina designs that aren't Ferraris", and a tidy early example still looks pretty special now.

This GT isn't tidy, but nor could it be accused of hiding faults. Our Pill last had an MOT in 2017, which seems to have been an exercise in masochism more than anything else. It flunked the test spectacularly, with no fewer than 12 failures and seven advisories meaning the examiner must have spent as much time logging faults on the computer system as probing rusty holes.


Yet that fail sheet seems to have become the shopping list for work that has subsequently been done on the car. The selling dealer reports a new floorpan, sills, boot floor, quarter panels and rear chassis legs. There are still grizzly looking areas on the A-pillars and on some of the seams, and the advert's claim that "paintwork is rough or has character" is a masterpiece of understatement, as is the assertion that the visibly pitted chromework is average.

Upsides include evidence of a fair amount of previous care and attention to the mechanical components, included the fitment of an unleaded compatible cylinder head and a stainless exhaust. It has also had a new radiator and petrol tank, plus fresh tyres. It even has the desirable option of a switchable overdrive and even boasts the unusual addition of a tow bar. Possibly added so an earlier owner could give a roguish Terry-Thomas wink when asked if the car was good at pulling.

So yes, it needs plenty of work. But it is also carrying a price that must be very close to its value in pieces as an original chrome bumper car. With parts support running all the way to brand new bodyshells from British Motor Heritage it would certainly be possible to return this one to full glory, at the cost of a significant spend in parts and labour. Its alternative fate is probably as a donor for another project.

If MGBs really are unkillable, who is going to be brave enough to save this one?

See the original advert here.






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Billy_Whizzzz

Original Poster:

2,462 posts

163 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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I have always been sniffy too, coming from Elises, Caterhams, 911s and ‘proper’ sports cars. I also now have a 981 Spyder. But I bought a B last year as something to fettle and tinker with, to pop into town in now my Defender isn’t ULEZ compliant and its been a hoot. No, I don’t drive it like a proper sports car, but it’s complaint, torquey (with a 2l Oselli engine) and while an MX5 would have been cheaper, the B (or my Marina in drag) makes me smile.

Anyway, I ditched the wires, the bumpers, set it all up on a rolling road, spent quite a lot getting it comprehensively rust proofed and sorted, ditched the wood dashboard and stuck some period tat on it, and now feels like a keeper to have in the shed for a sunny day. Gratuitous pics:

[url]

|https://thumbsnap.com/wSzYJu82[/url]








Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Saturday 7th August 07:32

AKA PABS

316 posts

142 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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Not me that’s for sure, simply never liked them.

wistec1

700 posts

61 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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I don't anticipate the cry of " I'm Spartacus" resonating on this suicide "Pill"

humphra

570 posts

112 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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I grew up loving classic cars and at 18 bought an MG Midget. But this does look like it would be a labour of love at this price. The fact the garage has all it's own facilities but still isn't willing to do the work itself suggests the work needed exceeds the value of the car, even at whatever cost they acquired it.
I'm not keen on the colour and if many others feel the same, this one may well end up discounted to shift it and broken for parts.

coppice

9,434 posts

164 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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If the MGB, especially in GT form , had had a limited production , and had amore exotic badge on its nose , it would now be hugely sought after and valuable . It has extremely well resolved styling , but , as ever, its looks were progressively ruined by every new version, culminating in the big bumper parody . But an early GT , in grey , on steel wheels or Minilites ? Oh yes please . Its engine may not have the fine bred sophistication of a Lancia (or Alfa , Fiat , Lotus or Porsche ) but its belligerent growl was audible two streets away and it looked just lovely .

As is ever the case , its near ubiquity ( and its perceived ownership demographic ? ) has diluted its appeal but if ever a car epitomised mid Sixties sports car it was the B .

Bill

56,696 posts

275 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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My dad had a string of these and Midgets when I was growing up and I'm far too tempted by this! It's a bit of a shed but seems like a bargain in the current market.

Bill

56,696 posts

275 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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Has someone painted the drums and calipers to not quite match?? eek

Harry Flashman

21,022 posts

262 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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I had a cosmetically crusty B roadster, bought for 1500, in my early twenties. 1970, tartan Red, wires, and lovely. I took it to Brussels, where I lived, and spent many happy weekends touring the continent.

Happy memories of tapping the fuel pump with a hammer to free sticking points, and the overdrive that came and went when it felt like it. Hood broke on my final trip back to London, so I drove hundreds of miles, in the rain, to get to Clapham from Brussels, my clothes packed in black bin liners in the boot and passenger seat.

I loved that car.

Sold to a family friend for a small profit, he restored it. RFR 503H. MOT now expired, apparently, guessing it doesn't actually need one. It is taxed so presumably alive.

We're it not for London's ULEZ, I would be tempted by another, and even try to by mine back. Such fun at low speeds, so cheap to run, so pretty to look at.

Edited by Harry Flashman on Saturday 7th August 07:48

Harry Flashman

21,022 posts

262 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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Just realised ULEZ does not apply to these cars!

My 1994 Merc E320 sport line cab has to go as not compliant. Anyone want to swap for an MGB?

apm142001

287 posts

109 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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wistec1 said:
I don't anticipate the cry of " I'm Spartacus" resonating on this suicide "Pill"
“I’m Brian and so’s my wife”, perhaps?

In fairness to the seller, it sounds as if an awful of new bits are included.

I’ve never really ‘got’ the B appeal - it’s not my era of interest - but I hope someone saves it; always prefer to see a car restored than broken up.

Harry Flashman

21,022 posts

262 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
I have always been sniffy too, coming from Elises, Caterhams, 911s and ‘proper’ sports cars. I also now have a 981 Spyder. But I bought a B last year as something to fettle and tinker with, to pop into town in now my Defender isn’t ULEZ compliant and its been a hoot. No, I don’t drive it like a proper sports car, but it’s complaint, torquey (with a 2l Oselli engine) and while an MX5 would have been cheaper, the B (or my Marina in drag) makes me smile.

Anyway, I ditched the wires, the bumpers, set it all up on a rolling road, spent quite a lot getting it comprehensively rust proofed and sorted, ditched the wood dashboard and stuck some period tat on it, and now feels like a keeper to have in the shed for a sunny day. Gratuitous pics:

[url]

|https://thumbsnap.com/wSzYJu82[/url]








Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Saturday 7th August 07:32
Yup. Exactly what I would do. Glorious.

Nyloc20

784 posts

83 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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I’ve always had a soft spot for the MGBGT, I bought a 1967 model in 1973 after a succession of ‘sporty’ motors inc Frog Eye Sprite, Cooper S, Escort GT. It was teal blue, well specced and a great long distance cruiser with overdrive. I had it for two years, no intention of selling really but a guy selling a 1968 Elan privately offered me a great p/x that I couldn’t resist. That was the start of my Lotus obsession which continues to this day but I’d still like another BGT one day.

dontlookdown

2,307 posts

113 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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apm142001 said:
wistec1 said:
I don't anticipate the cry of " I'm Spartacus" resonating on this suicide "Pill"
“I’m Brian and so’s my wife”, perhaps?

In fairness to the seller, it sounds as if an awful of new bits are included.

I’ve never really ‘got’ the B appeal - it’s not my era of interest - but I hope someone saves it; always prefer to see a car restored than broken up.
Lots of bits, but not a new bodyshell which is what it probably needs. Bs are mechanically v simple but the body is quite a complex structure and not particularly easy to repair.

mikey_b

2,419 posts

65 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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Someone will take it on. There is no point in breaking for parts because as mentioned in the article, you can literally build a complete new car from the classic car parts suppliers anyway.

biggbn

29,089 posts

240 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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Is it really a brave pill? All parts available, specialists on every corner, cheap to run and insure, huge market for bits of you need to break it?

Mysstree

547 posts

66 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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Always fancied a V8 b or the 3.0 litre MGC.
The V8 was allegedly good for 125 and 0 - 60 in 8 seconds which is still reasonable for today on British roads.

The Wookie

14,180 posts

248 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
Anyway, I ditched the wires, the bumpers, set it all up on a rolling road, spent quite a lot getting it comprehensively rust proofed and sorted, ditched the wood dashboard and stuck some period tat on it, and now feels like a keeper to have in the shed for a sunny day. Gratuitous pics:
I still have my first car which was an MGB that was dumped by a family friend in my parents garage after he had a minor accident on the way to their house many years ago.

Eventually when he came back to collect it about 10 years later it was seized solid, so he gave it to me. I rebuilt it with the help of some friends

I ran it every day for about 10 years but eventually the tin worm found its way to the bits I hadn’t replaced.

It’s a shame it’s now sat back in the garage I dragged it out of over 20 years ago but I have a bit of a lingering fantasy of fixing the sills and doing exactly what you have done with yours to keep as a knocking about car, just never found the time.


By the way, BRDC member?

sam greenock

324 posts

140 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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This "pill" takes me back years to the first car I ever bought for myself - a W reg MGB GT

I traded in my dad's old Datsun 180B Bluebird for it, the MG was just over 3 years old in white

Unfortunately it turned out to be a pile of ste............

Over the next 2 years I poured money into it:-

New exhaust, new over drive solenoid, then new overdrive unit, cylinder head gasket, new brakes, new starter motor, new alternator, new water pump,

The paintwork was only thing that was in good condition

I tried it in for a Mark 1 Golf GTi, the dealer getting an MGB in need of or with ( but not limited to) shockers all round, exhaust, petrol tank, overdrive issues, cylinder head problems, gearbox problems blah blah blah

Anyways I believe that MGB GT with the registration of SGB 840W is still on the go, think it has been converted to being a chrome bumper model - I saw a photograph online of it at some show or other - may have been the festival of the un-exceptional one I think a few years back

I'd b interested to know, for old time sake how its going nowadays

s m

24,058 posts

223 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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Mysstree said:
Always fancied a V8 b or the 3.0 litre MGC.
The V8 was allegedly good for 125 and 0 - 60 in 8 seconds which is still reasonable for today on British roads.
Always enjoyed following V8bloke round at Combe

https://youtu.be/xpoou0GOJt8

His is fairly modded though


Edited by s m on Saturday 7th August 10:16

FlukePlay

1,130 posts

165 months

Saturday 7th August 2021
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Not really a Brave Pill, it's simply 3 grand to spend on a project car for someone who enjoys tinkering. It's not as if it might go pop and suddenly cost you 5 grand to fix.