Ford Mondeo ST220...appreciating classic or not?
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What's people's thoughts on whether they'll be worth money one day?
I had one last year and thought it was very good. Handled well, sounded lovely and wasn't too sluggish when kept high in the revs. MPG and higher tax band not ideal though.
I've read 'It's just a Mondeo, it'll never be worth anything' a few times lately.
I'm not talking Cosworth money obviously, but being Ford's last big V6 and all...
Thinking of buying another in due course. I've noticed the MK1 Focus RS is starting to go up in value now too, missed the boat on that one.
I had one last year and thought it was very good. Handled well, sounded lovely and wasn't too sluggish when kept high in the revs. MPG and higher tax band not ideal though.
I've read 'It's just a Mondeo, it'll never be worth anything' a few times lately.
I'm not talking Cosworth money obviously, but being Ford's last big V6 and all...
Thinking of buying another in due course. I've noticed the MK1 Focus RS is starting to go up in value now too, missed the boat on that one.
In a nutshell, yes they're appreciating and rightly so. They will be iconic classics.
All the times I glanced over them when cheap as chips. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it's easy to dismiss something as mundane just because of how current it is.
Ford Sierras of all specs are worth good money and I'd imagine the Mondeo ST220 is heading in that direction. Eventually they'll be worth 5-figure sums. I mean, give everything sporty from Ford 30 years and they tend to be there.
I was reading about these only recently and the appreciation and so seeing this thread gave me a feeling of deja-vu.
If I were to buy one I'd pose as anything other than savvy. I'm sure there'll be sellers knowing the primary reason why people buy them and adding an extra few grand to the asking price.
All the times I glanced over them when cheap as chips. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it's easy to dismiss something as mundane just because of how current it is.
Ford Sierras of all specs are worth good money and I'd imagine the Mondeo ST220 is heading in that direction. Eventually they'll be worth 5-figure sums. I mean, give everything sporty from Ford 30 years and they tend to be there.
I was reading about these only recently and the appreciation and so seeing this thread gave me a feeling of deja-vu.
If I were to buy one I'd pose as anything other than savvy. I'm sure there'll be sellers knowing the primary reason why people buy them and adding an extra few grand to the asking price.
I paid £5500 for a Black 2003 Saloon with 30k on the clock in 2008.
Sickening how cheap they got, I never fell in love with it though. It handled like sh** I don't care what Clarkson says, it was a barge with lethal brakes (same as the 1.8, faded on me several times), understeer and it was absolutely terrible on fuel. I don't think I got more than 23mpg. Mine dodged the highest tax band due to age.
E46 BMW 330ci that I had shortly after was everything I wanted that lacked in the ST220. Similar engines but sounded way nicer, RWD balance, better brakes, suspension, handling, looks..... Prices will go up sure, but doesn't mean it's a good car or worth owning in my opinion.
Sickening how cheap they got, I never fell in love with it though. It handled like sh** I don't care what Clarkson says, it was a barge with lethal brakes (same as the 1.8, faded on me several times), understeer and it was absolutely terrible on fuel. I don't think I got more than 23mpg. Mine dodged the highest tax band due to age.
E46 BMW 330ci that I had shortly after was everything I wanted that lacked in the ST220. Similar engines but sounded way nicer, RWD balance, better brakes, suspension, handling, looks..... Prices will go up sure, but doesn't mean it's a good car or worth owning in my opinion.
Probably. Even the lowest-spec POS from the 80's, which was Godawful then, and certainly no better today, seems to attract a premium. Mind you, what they actually sell for may well bear no relation to what they are advertised for. When you see some of the adverts (as in the Seriously Overpriced Cars thread) you have to question the mental faculties of some of the chancers off-loading their miserable 40-year old rusty (s)crap
They will go up in value, and rightly so.
A lot of the image problem comes from the outwardly similar ST TDCi which seemed to go through a phase of being pretty much universally lowered, sporting red Ford badges, and driven flat out everywhere by someone with a shaved head and a wife beater vest, leaving a cloud of acrid black smoke from the dodgy remap.
A lot of the image problem comes from the outwardly similar ST TDCi which seemed to go through a phase of being pretty much universally lowered, sporting red Ford badges, and driven flat out everywhere by someone with a shaved head and a wife beater vest, leaving a cloud of acrid black smoke from the dodgy remap.
Great cars, I'm sure, and no doubt the prices will continue to rise for a few years yet but when fuel/VED starts getting expensive, relatively young large engined family hatchbacks will probably be the first of the "modern classics" to lose their appeal. I can't see many people bothering to convert them to electric.
Correct me if I'm wrong but 4 door front wheel drive cars don't have a record of strong or appreciating classic car values. Almost to the point where higher value and 4-door FWD are mutually exclusive and cannot coexist?
Could you double your money on one of these if you waited a few years... maybe, but double of a very small figure still isn't much so is it worth taking up a spot in your garage or spending any money on? Unlikely.
Could you double your money on one of these if you waited a few years... maybe, but double of a very small figure still isn't much so is it worth taking up a spot in your garage or spending any money on? Unlikely.
ingenieur said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but 4 door front wheel drive cars don't have a record of strong or appreciating classic car values. Almost to the point where higher value and 4-door FWD are mutually exclusive and cannot coexist?
I think that's partly due to car sizes, door numbers and what type of drivetrains Ford bothered with, relative to that point in history. That and Ford stopping with AWD in hatches and saloons after the MK1 Mondeo. There was a forgotten-about 4x4.Still I can't see FWD and 4 doors being barriers to becoming desirable, classic, iconic, collectable etc.
I think the old rules about 4-doors not being valued have gone out the window now you can no longer easily buy new cars with 6 cylinder engines and/or manual gearboxes, and indeed saloon cars themselves are being dropped in favour of crossovers.
I'd wager an ST220 with manual box would be more likely to appreciate than a newer automatic ecoboost Mondeo.
I'd wager an ST220 with manual box would be more likely to appreciate than a newer automatic ecoboost Mondeo.
Truckosaurus said:
I think the old rules about 4-doors not being valued have gone out the window now you can no longer easily buy new cars with 6 cylinder engines and/or manual gearboxes, and indeed saloon cars themselves are being dropped in favour of crossovers.
I'd wager an ST220 with manual box would be more likely to appreciate than a newer automatic ecoboost Mondeo.
I'd say that's true. I'd wager an ST220 with manual box would be more likely to appreciate than a newer automatic ecoboost Mondeo.
My comment above though was more of a question as to which other 4-door front wheel drive sports car is there that you know of with strong and appreciating values? Rear wheel drive sports cars, even with 4 doors I can think of countless examples.
anonymous said:
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Yes, this is an issue touched on in other threads, that will prove a problem for late 80's and 90's cars, and onwards.The way dealers changed the JIT parts supply, and there was no longer the vast shelves of parts that years later was cleared out to specialist parts dealers, means there just in the NOS parts sitting around or turn up in autojumbles such as we see for cars made up to the mid 80's.
I know someone that has sold a late 80's car after long term ownership, as he was just finding it so much hassle trying to find what were quite common parts.
He's replaced it with older 60's era car instead that has an excellent parts supply back up.
Think I might have found the one...Not my choice of colour particularly, but everything else is spot on.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mondeo-ST220-/1149...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mondeo-ST220-/1149...
Cwgt93 said:
Think I might have found the one...Not my choice of colour particularly, but everything else is spot on.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mondeo-ST220-/1149...
FWIW, if you buy that and use it I'd be amazed if it ever ends up being worth more than it is right now.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mondeo-ST220-/1149...
Bennet said:
Cwgt93 said:
Think I might have found the one...Not my choice of colour particularly, but everything else is spot on.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mondeo-ST220-/1149...
FWIW, if you buy that and use it I'd be amazed if it ever ends up being worth more than it is right now.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mondeo-ST220-/1149...
I chop and change my cars a lot. Nothing to do with any of them being bad. I just like to experience different vehicles. I don't think I've ever owned anything longer than 3 years as an extreme long term ownership for me. A few months isn't unusual. People read too much into pedigree sometimes. How many owners has it had... stuff like that. At a certain price point and for most kinds of cars a lot of that stuff becomes pretty irrelevant.
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