Travellers intimidating business, police do nothing?

[anonymous-user]

Interesting reading what happened from the farm owner , how it’s reported , and what the police say .



https://en-gb.facebook.com/AlbionFarmShop/


https://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/1...

[Unknown_User]

Shocking.

However, when we have had a decade of police cuts and the same political party gets voted back in each time, then what do we actually expect? I would like to think the police would like to do more but simply don't have the resources due to years of cuts.

[Ari]

They seem to have the resources to trawl Facebook for hurty words.

I guess that's quite easy though...

[the-sharpener]

Unknown_User said:

Shocking.

However, when we have had a decade of police cuts and the same political party gets voted back in each time, then what do we actually expect? I would like to think the police would like to do more but simply don't have the resources due to years of cuts.

But the opposition want to stamp out racism against travellers and give them more rights

SO

Who should i vote for?

[don'tbesilly]

Ari said:

They seem to have the resources to trawl Facebook for hurty words.

I guess that's quite easy though...

Not the right resources, you need legs to do the real work, not bums on seats.

Travellers = laws are for others.

Faux outrage followed by the usual excuses, it's all the fault of Govt.

[Derek Smith]

Ari said:

They seem to have the resources to trawl Facebook for hurty words.

I guess that's quite easy though...

I would assume - I admit not knowing the facts but, unlike many, I do have police experience - that the droves of police trawling the internet amounts to one bloke who's injured or a woman who's pregnant. Even they are more likely to have responded to a complaint from the public rather than self-generating as they'd probably have other tasks as well.

The digital offences 'team', name Cyber Crime, now that's cool, in my old force, which had no responsibility for online abuse, had their startup heralded in the press. It was great news as they'd be able to concentrate on scams and frauds. That's both of them, one from my old force, and the other from an adjacent one. The CC unit cannot deal with all offences reported and instead checks for patterns.

I think it unlikely that trawling for online abuse is possible, let alone likely. The same 'triage' system would be used, meaning not all reported offences would be dealt with. Not sure what you mean by 'easy', as there are likely to be lots of hoops to jump through to ensure the CPS will prosecute.

[Unknown_User]

the-sharpener said:

But the opposition want to stamp out racism against travellers and give them more rights

SO

Who should i vote for?

I think that racism is completely unacceptable, regardless of who it is aimed at. I hope you would agree?

I have no idea who you should vote for, however if you continue to vote for the same party and don't get the changes or results you desire, then maybe you need to reassess who you vote for and why you vote for them.

Edited by Unknown_User on Tuesday 10th August 11:30

[the-sharpener]

Yes I will condemn racism and I fully support the rights of travellers to earn an honest living

[eldar]

Unknown_User said:

I think that racism is completely unacceptable, regardless of who it is aimed at. I hope you would agree?

I have no idea who you should vote for, however if you continue to vote for the same party and don't get the changes or results you desire, then maybe you need to reassess who you vote for why you vote for them.

The important question is, Do ya like dags? As good a basis for voting as any other.

[Tom Logan]

Unknown_User said:

I think that racism is completely unacceptable, regardless of who it is aimed at. I hope you would agree?

Rightly so, rightly so.

I will support your Crusade for equality for all regardless of colour, creed or how they arrived on this Sceptred Isle.

God Save The Queen.

[jet_noise]

the-sharpener said:

Yes I will condemn racism and I fully support the rights of travellers to earn an honest living

ISWYDT

[anonymous-user]

Unknown_User said:

Shocking.

However, when we have had a decade of police cuts and the same political party gets voted back in each time, then what do we actually expect? I would like to think the police would like to do more but simply don't have the resources due to years of cuts.

Police did attend tho , but according to the shop weren’t interested at all ? Obviously two sides etc , but doesn’t look good

[anonymous-user]

Years ago my dad worked for a Land Rover main dealer and they left a brand engine on a pallet outside which then disappeared. Soon afterwards the same main dealer were asked if they wanted to buy a brand new engine on a pallet by members of the travelling community.

The main dealer called the police and their advice was to buy it back from them.

A few years ago travellers parked their caravans on a site near me that is used by the Police to train their dogs. "Three police cars with flashing lights arrived at the site on Tuesday afternoon – but left after just 15 minutes when one of the travellers became aggressive."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5087211/T...

So it seems to me that even the police are frightened of them and don't want to get involved.

[98elise]

Unknown_User said:

Shocking.

However, when we have had a decade of police cuts and the same political party gets voted back in each time, then what do we actually expect? I would like to think the police would like to do more but simply don't have the resources due to years of cuts.

What's it got to do with resources? The police turned up and did nothing (as usual). How much money do they need so that they can do something when they arrive?

[Genuine Barn Find]

This has been happening for years, and will continue to because the travellers know they can get away with it and the police are st scared of the travellers.

My father had an ‘arrival’ on the car park of his business about 20 years ago. The police turned up and witnessed one of the traveller children keying his car with a stanley knife. It took him weeks to get them off the land and cost £1000’s to clean up/sort the rubbish, human st and damage caused.

[Unknown_User]

98elise said:

Unknown_User said:

Shocking.

However, when we have had a decade of police cuts and the same political party gets voted back in each time, then what do we actually expect? I would like to think the police would like to do more but simply don't have the resources due to years of cuts.

What's it got to do with resources? The police turned up and did nothing (as usual). How much money do they need so that they can do something when they arrive?

Have you actually read the entire article or did you just look at the headline? In the article it clearly states enquiries are ongoing, so if you have evidence that proves otherwise, I suggest you post it up so we are all aware of the latest developments.

Maybe if the police had sufficient resources they could have turned up mob handed, focussed resources on the ongoing enquiries or stopped the incident from escalating in the first place. Whenever I have spoken to a police officer none of them have said they have an abundance of resources, although I'm sure someone will be along in a moment to challenge that.

[the-sharpener]

Unknown_User said:

Have you actually read the entire article or did you just look at the headline? In the article it clearly states enquiries are ongoing, so if you have evidence that proves otherwise, I suggest you post it up so we are all aware of the latest developments.

Maybe if the police had sufficient resources they could have turned up mob handed, focussed resources on the ongoing enquiries or stopped the incident from escalating in the first place. Whenever I have spoken to a police officer none of them have said they have an abundance of resources, although I'm sure someone will be along in a moment to challenge that.

YEP god damn tory scum

If we had voted labour then these travellers wouldn't be using intimidation to get £6000 from the farmer

The farmer would be legally obliged to hand it over as compensation for his racism and oppression of the working classes

[Jamescrs]

Part of the issue with travellers is they know if they go onto private land where they have not forced entry they are not comitting offences that the Police can deal with, that's the law in this country.

The may well be committing a civil trespass but that isn't a Police matter, that's not the Police fault its the law makers and government not giving Police powers to deal with them, if they go on public land or Council controlled land then the council are very effective at dealing with them so that's why they target private businesses.

I'd suggest people who want change start lobbying the government and/or their own MP to take action and change the law, the travellers are very good at knowing what they can and can't get away with.

[Tom Logan]

the-sharpener said:

YEP god damn tory scum

If we had voted labour then these travellers wouldn't be using intimidation to get £6000 from the farmer

The farmer would be legally obliged to hand it over as compensation for his racism and oppression of the working classes

:cough cough:

[Unknown_User]

Can we please keep this discussion as per the OP i.e - the alleged police response and the reasons for that response, otherwise the thread will get closed. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.

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