Police officer and 3 year old son found dead

[poo at Paul's]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-wor...

Can’t quite work out what’s gone on here.

When you read things like this, you assume a murder / suicide scenario, as things like dodgy boilers co2 poisoning are often mooted early on.
However, gushing praise for this father from the Force and his wife. Suggestions that she did not live with him though.
Sad for all involved, but if there’s been any deliberate act by the dad, I’m surprised at the press releases so far.

[TTmonkey]

poo at Paul's said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-wor...

Can’t quite work out what’s gone on here.

When you read things like this, you assume a murder / suicide scenario, as things like dodgy boilers co2 poisoning are often mooted early on.
However, gushing praise for this father from the Force and his wife. Suggestions that she did not live with him though.
Sad for all involved, but if there’s been any deliberate act by the dad, I’m surprised at the press releases so far.

Deaths treated as unexplained currently, so not immediately obvious as to cause of death. Suggests some kind of poisoning, either deliberate or accidental, with the autopsies to come in the week.


If however he hasn’t been seen for some time, could be natural causes.

[poo at Paul's]

TTmonkey said:

Deaths treated as unexplained currently, so not immediately obvious as to cause of death. Suggests some kind of poisoning, either deliberate or accidental, with the autopsies to come in the week.


If however he hasn’t been seen for some time, could be natural causes.

And the kid…? Blimey

[TTmonkey]

poo at Paul's said:

TTmonkey said:

Deaths treated as unexplained currently, so not immediately obvious as to cause of death. Suggests some kind of poisoning, either deliberate or accidental, with the autopsies to come in the week.


If however he hasn’t been seen for some time, could be natural causes.

And the kid…? Blimey

Depends how long they have been left alone at the home before discovery. I’ve not seen any info on how long they have been there. Not enough info yet released on circumstances.


Families have been found dead in a home where (usually) mother has died and very young child has had no way of surviving. Extremely rare, and very unlikely.

Odd that more info is t yet out there about this,

[poo at Paul's]

Now reported that the father and son had been on holiday with the wife and another relative, but the pair had returned home early for some reason.

[Gareth79]

poo at Paul's said:

Now reported that the father and son had been on holiday with the wife and another relative, but the pair had returned home early for some reason.

Yes, could have been an illness or an argument, various possibilities:


"A neighbour said the pair had been away on holiday with David's wife and another relative but the trip was cut short."
"It appears only father and son had returned to the house before concerns for safety were raised and the bodies were found on Friday morning."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/policeman-39...

Edited by Gareth79 on Monday 16th August 13:06

[poo at Paul's]

Thing is, a typical 3 year old could be able to find food most likely and certainly water to keep going for a few days. I can remember being three and making cups of coffee!!

[poo at Paul's]

Now confirmed as a “murder suicide”, seems the obvious answer but the gushing praise toward the dad from wife and police etc made me wonder.
So, again why the gushing praise? Could there have been mitigating circumstances for example,
But still seems odd all the press releases about what a great bloke and dad he was.

[AJL308]

poo at Paul's said:

Now confirmed as a “murder suicide”, seems the obvious answer but the gushing praise toward the dad from wife and police etc made me wonder.
So, again why the gushing praise? Could there have been mitigating circumstances for example,
But still seems odd all the press releases about what a great bloke and dad he was.

What is it with people murdering kids of late, especially parents? I mean, ffs, it's utterly heartbreaking.

[Dibble]

AJL308 said:

poo at Paul's said:

Now confirmed as a “murder suicide”, seems the obvious answer but the gushing praise toward the dad from wife and police etc made me wonder.
So, again why the gushing praise? Could there have been mitigating circumstances for example,
But still seems odd all the press releases about what a great bloke and dad he was.

What is it with people murdering kids of late, especially parents? I mean, ffs, it's utterly heartbreaking.

People who are mentally ill/having a breakdown don’t think rationally.


(It is of course also possible that he was a nasty piece of work and wanted to hurt his wife by murdering their child, but I’d suspect he’s had a meltdown, which has tipped him over the edge.)

[TTmonkey]

Dibble said:

People who are mentally ill/having a breakdown don’t think rationally.

I bet it’s some stupid petty argument and he’s taught his mrs a lesson. People having breakdowns kill themselves. Those that kill their kids often have some overblown drama going on.


So tragic.


Odd that they took so much time to declare murder / suicide. And as has been said, all the platitudes.

[Dibble]

TTmonkey said:

Dibble said:

People who are mentally ill/having a breakdown don’t think rationally.

I bet it’s some stupid petty argument and he’s taught his mrs a lesson. People having breakdowns kill themselves. Those that kill their kids often have some overblown drama going on.


So tragic.


Odd that they took so much time to declare murder / suicide. And as has been said, all the platitudes.

Could be either, impossible to say definitively at the moment with the scant information known.

Whatever has happened, it is tragic.

[poo at Paul's]

So, serving police officer abducts and kills woman in London and it’s top billing news wise, thousands protesing / few riots etc.
Serving police officer kills 3 yr old kid and them himself, and it’s universal praise from his Force and family !

It doesn’t make much sense when you look at the two cases.

[anonymous-user]

poo at Paul's said:

So, serving police officer abducts and kills woman in London and it’s top billing news wise, thousands protesing / few riots etc.
Serving police officer kills 3 yr old kid and them himself, and it’s universal praise from his Force and family !

It doesn’t make much sense when you look at the two cases.

They're both tragic, but the cases have very little in common apart from involving a police officer. There was no apparent kidnapping in this case, while Couzens kidnapped a stranger - possibly even using his police credentials to aid doing so (was that ever established?). In the current case the fact that the suspect was a police officer is more incidental to the main crime.

[hyphen]

poo at Paul's said:

So, serving police officer abducts and kills woman in London and it’s top billing news wise, thousands protesing / few riots etc.
Serving police officer kills 3 yr old kid and them himself, and it’s universal praise from his Force and family !

It doesn’t make much sense when you look at the two cases.

I think the difference is that whilst both are potentially mental health driven; the 1st killed someone for his own gratification, and the other, at a guess, out of some despair.

The statement is odd I agree if it is true he did it. As you can't say "he was a great father" if was him who did it. But wait and see, it could be something else.

[rover 623gsi]

poo at Paul's said:

So, serving police officer abducts and kills woman in London and it’s top billing news wise, thousands protesing / few riots etc.
Serving police officer kills 3 yr old kid and them himself, and it’s universal praise from his Force and family !

It doesn’t make much sense when you look at the two cases.

The narrative that sticks is the one that gets out first