Vaccine complications death

[anonymous-user]

Have we had this yet?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-5833079...
(BBC News link)

A 44 year old woman has died from blood clots on the brain linked to the Astra Z jab.

No particular opinion really, just very sad

[MrNoisy]

It is very sad agreed.

I get that this is a very rare occurrence but I would genuinely like to know that had this happened to an individual who was part of the test cohort would the vaccine have been approved?

I'm interested as a work colleague died the night of his first AZ jab, died in his sleep from a blood clot. 58 YO, a bit overweight but not morbidly so.

[brman]

I agree, very sad. But what else is there to say?

According to that article there is a 1 in 100,000 chance of getting a blood clot from the vaccine. And a 1 in 600,000 chance of dying.
So far there have been at least 155,000 deaths from covid in the UK. So around 1 in 400 of the population. How many have been perminantly damaged by covid is so far unknown. I have no stats but I strongly suspect a fair number of those deaths/disabilities caused by covid also involved blood clots to the brain.

So I know which of those odds I would rather play. A stty situation but that is where the world finds itself.

[poo at Paul's]

It’s sad but it’s a numbers game. She was the one in a million.

[dmahon]

poo at Paul's said:

It’s sad but it’s a numbers game. She was the one in a million.

You can say that if she was vaccinated by free choice.

What if she was a carer who took it to keep her job or based on bad information. At that point, I don't think you can put it down to a "numbers game".

[worsy]

dmahon said:

poo at Paul's said:

It’s sad but it’s a numbers game. She was the one in a million.

You can say that if she was vaccinated by free choice.

What if she was a carer who took it to keep her job or based on bad information. At that point, I don't think you can put it down to a "numbers game".

How is it bad information? There is a confirmed reward vs risk of being vaccinated which reduces in younger people. I don't get the argument regarding carers, she wasn't btw, but if she was she could have changed her job. no one is being frog marched to a gurney to get it.

We all know there is a small risk in all types of medicine, doesn't stop popping a few paracetamol after a night out.

[poo at Paul's]

dmahon said:

poo at Paul's said:

It’s sad but it’s a numbers game. She was the one in a million.

You can say that if she was vaccinated by free choice.
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She was. Hence I said it.

It’s retarded to read anything more into it.

Edited by poo at Paul's on Thursday 26th August 16:15

[m_cozzy]

brman said:

So far there have been at least 155,000 deaths from covid in the UK.

With covid surely, not of covid.

[FourWheelDrift]

If you have a read of this pre-2019 information about vaccines, it talks about the VAERS The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System which does depend on people using it. It still logs adverse reactions to vaccines, which amount to around 30,000 each year. Bear in mind this is with vaccines that have gone through the Exploratory Stage which usually takes 2-4 years, the Pre-Clinical Stage that takes 1-2 years, the IND Application, Phase I Vaccine Trials, Phase II Vaccine Trials, Phase III Vaccine Trials, Post-Licensure Monitoring of Vaccines and then Phase IV Trials which can all take between 10-15 years to complete before a vaccine is released for use. Not less than 12 months with the Covid vaccine. So issues could very well be more frequent with it.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles...

[anonymous-user]

brman said:

I agree, very sad. But what else is there to say?

According to that article there is a 1 in 100,000 chance of getting a blood clot from the vaccine. And a 1 in 600,000 chance of dying.
So far there have been at least 155,000 deaths from covid in the UK. So around 1 in 400 of the population. How many have been perminantly damaged by covid is so far unknown. I have no stats but I strongly suspect a fair number of those deaths/disabilities caused by covid also involved blood clots to the brain.

So I know which of those odds I would rather play. A stty situation but that is where the world finds itself.

But how does that view develop if we start talking about 'booster' shots every year or whatever? Should the population just accept the odds and put up with it, should they be able to request an alternative 'brand' if they don't fancy the odds, or should the AZ jab be wholesale withdrawn?

[JagLover]

brman said:

I agree, very sad. But what else is there to say?

According to that article there is a 1 in 100,000 chance of getting a blood clot from the vaccine. And a 1 in 600,000 chance of dying.
So far there have been at least 155,000 deaths from covid in the UK. So around 1 in 400 of the population. How many have been perminantly damaged by covid is so far unknown. I have no stats but I strongly suspect a fair number of those deaths/disabilities caused by covid also involved blood clots to the brain.

That equation changes rather drastically with age though. For anyone over around 40 then yes the vaccine is likely worth the risks. For healthy younger people though the risks of the vaccine may not look so great when compared to their tiny risk from Covid.

That is why it was always so morally dubious to try and force the young to have the vaccine by all the talk of "vaccine passports" and the like. Some of them are going to be seriously harmed by the vaccine who are of next to no risk from the virus.

[stuttgartmetal]

Youve got to have a bleed, to get a clot. Either sub arachnoid, or intra cerbral.
These happen all the time. Like switching off a light.
A weak vessel in the brain ruptures, and that's your lot.

[Sim89]

JagLover said:

brman said:

I agree, very sad. But what else is there to say?

According to that article there is a 1 in 100,000 chance of getting a blood clot from the vaccine. And a 1 in 600,000 chance of dying.
So far there have been at least 155,000 deaths from covid in the UK. So around 1 in 400 of the population. How many have been perminantly damaged by covid is so far unknown. I have no stats but I strongly suspect a fair number of those deaths/disabilities caused by covid also involved blood clots to the brain.

That equation changes rather drastically with age though. For anyone over around 40 then yes the vaccine is likely worth the risks. For healthy younger people though the risks of the vaccine may not look so great when compared to their tiny risk from Covid.

That is why it was always so morally dubious to try and force the young to have the vaccine by all the talk of "vaccine passports" and the like. Some of them are going to be seriously harmed by the vaccine who are of next to no risk from the virus.

Quite.

Just roughly looking at the deaths from the most used vaccines in the UK (Yellow Card data)
- AZ: 1 in 24,263 people vaccinated (1,018)
- Pfizer: 1 in 43,777 people vaccinated (466)

Risk factors for Covid highly stratified by age and comorbidities, but average age of death is 82 and the average death had two comorbidities.

Contrast this with a healthy 44 year old female - absolute risk of death from Covid around 1 in 70k.

For those younger than 40, it goes up from there. Last time I checked for me (32 years, male, no risks) it was 1 in 200k, absolute risk of death.

[Evercross]

Sim89 said:

Quite.

Just roughly looking at the deaths from the most used vaccines in the UK (Yellow Card data)
- AZ: 1 in 24,263 people vaccinated (1,018)
- Pfizer: 1 in 43,777 people vaccinated (466)

Risk factors for Covid highly stratified by age and comorbidities, but average age of death is 82 and the average death had two comorbidities.

Contrast this with a healthy 44 year old female - absolute risk of death from Covid around 1 in 70k.

For those younger than 40, it goes up from there. Last time I checked for me (32 years, male, no risks) it was 1 in 200k, absolute risk of death.

It is indeed a "numbers game" (but I am betting the person who said that in this thread isn't so enamoured with those numbers).

[dmahon]

anonymous said:

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Threatening someone with their job is coercion of the highest order.

If you do that, they take the vaccine, then they die, blood is on your hands.

worsy said:

How is it bad information?

One example of bad information was that we would get herd immunity at 70%. Now that is viewed to be unattainable.

How many of the 1500 dead took the vaccine under false pretence, thinking they would be contributing to herd immunity only to find they were missold.


If I take the vaccine with my own free will and croak, that is a tragedy.

If I take the vaccine based on bad information or because I’m going to lose my job, someone is to blame for that.

[Evercross]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Easy to say when it isn't you. If someone wanted to inject you with heroin on the condition you lost your job if you didn't, would you capitulate?

[Zumbruk]

m_cozzy said:

brman said:

So far there have been at least 155,000 deaths from covid in the UK.

With covid surely, not of covid.

Oh, do eff off with this bollcoks.

[TellYaWhatItIs]

Zumbruk said:

m_cozzy said:

brman said:

So far there have been at least 155,000 deaths from covid in the UK.

With covid surely, not of covid.

Oh, do eff off with this bollcoks.

I think you need to go back to Vol1 of a certain thread and do some catch up work.

[Steve Campbell]

FourWheelDrift said:

If you have a read of this pre-2019 information about vaccines, it talks about the VAERS The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System which does depend on people using it. It still logs adverse reactions to vaccines, which amount to around 30,000 each year. Bear in mind this is with vaccines that have gone through the Exploratory Stage which usually takes 2-4 years, the Pre-Clinical Stage that takes 1-2 years, the IND Application, Phase I Vaccine Trials, Phase II Vaccine Trials, Phase III Vaccine Trials, Post-Licensure Monitoring of Vaccines and then Phase IV Trials which can all take between 10-15 years to complete before a vaccine is released for use. Not less than 12 months with the Covid vaccine. So issues could very well be more frequent with it.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles...

The exploratory and pre-clinical work had already been done with the technology and Phase IV is post-licensing monitoring. As has been covered many times on these forums, much of the normal timeline is related to funding and patient sign on to the trials, neither of which were problems with Covid due to massive govt funding / underwriting from Day 1 and a large cohort of patients available and willing to sign up. I have not been able to find any cuts to the safety and efficacy criteria for medicines in how the CV19 vaccines were developed. All new medicines carry risks that are weighed up at time of launch and the knowledge base grown through post market surveillance……it’s just the majority of the world had no clue or interest to how it all works until now.

[robscot]

TellYaWhatItIs said:

I think you need to go back to Vol1 of a certain thread and do some catch up work.

Are the nutters still wittering on those threads?

Actual people on there siding with loons who think lamp posts are part of a network that vaccines interact with. Sadly I am not even making that up.