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Yes, it's very good. Relative merits of each type of Evora are discussed at length elsewhere, but needless to say you won't be disappointed with the 400.
As for values it's anyone's guess, some will tell you interest in the lotus brand will grow now the Emira is around and the fact it's only 2 seater will make the Evora more appealing to lots and prices will bolster.
Others will tell you different...
I can't personally decide which makes more sense.
Look here for the best Evora forum I found....
https://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/forum/221-ev...
As for values it's anyone's guess, some will tell you interest in the lotus brand will grow now the Emira is around and the fact it's only 2 seater will make the Evora more appealing to lots and prices will bolster.
Others will tell you different...
I can't personally decide which makes more sense.
Look here for the best Evora forum I found....
https://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/forum/221-ev...
Great cars, some say the best car no one bought.
I do think the higher up the Evora prices you go the more they are likley to be effected by the Emira, prices have been solid and rising on the lower end of the market for a couple of years now.
I have a early NA car which i love, its no Porsche in terms of build quality but it feels special and its rare.
I do think the higher up the Evora prices you go the more they are likley to be effected by the Emira, prices have been solid and rising on the lower end of the market for a couple of years now.
I have a early NA car which i love, its no Porsche in terms of build quality but it feels special and its rare.
I'm in a similar position.
I concluded that it depends what era of 911 you're going for, the 991.1 GTS felt a bit numb to drive for me, it was the first year of electric steering and I just felt like I was driving a fast, well handling Golf.
I haven't driven a 991.2, but I did drive the 718 Cayman and I felt the steering in that was infinitely better and I felt much more connected to the car. Unfortunately I didn't like the 4pot engine.
The Evora for me is way more special, much more steering feel and an engaging ride. The trade-off is the build quality as someone has already said, but also the general ergonomics where Porsche clearly have the budget and Lotus don't, even my girlfriend pointed out immediately the Halfords headunit which she described as looking like "her mum's Tom Tom" and also small design flaws such as the start/stop light always being lit up which is distracting at night and the fact the engine cooks anything in the boot (which the Cayman managed to avoid).
I personally will be going for an Evora, but some day I will also move in to the Porsche so I get both ownership experiences, and if a Porsche of the spec i like comes up first I'll go for that.
As for residuals, I think the 410s and 430s will really suffer due to the Emira because they're at the same price point, not only this, there are way more alternatives a that price point, such as 981 Cayman GTS, 911 GTS, Cayman 4.0 (this for me is the true Evora killer), Alpine A110 and even the new Corvette.
But a 2016 400 will now be at a price point where it isn't in the same bracket as the cars above.
I concluded that it depends what era of 911 you're going for, the 991.1 GTS felt a bit numb to drive for me, it was the first year of electric steering and I just felt like I was driving a fast, well handling Golf.
I haven't driven a 991.2, but I did drive the 718 Cayman and I felt the steering in that was infinitely better and I felt much more connected to the car. Unfortunately I didn't like the 4pot engine.
The Evora for me is way more special, much more steering feel and an engaging ride. The trade-off is the build quality as someone has already said, but also the general ergonomics where Porsche clearly have the budget and Lotus don't, even my girlfriend pointed out immediately the Halfords headunit which she described as looking like "her mum's Tom Tom" and also small design flaws such as the start/stop light always being lit up which is distracting at night and the fact the engine cooks anything in the boot (which the Cayman managed to avoid).
I personally will be going for an Evora, but some day I will also move in to the Porsche so I get both ownership experiences, and if a Porsche of the spec i like comes up first I'll go for that.
As for residuals, I think the 410s and 430s will really suffer due to the Emira because they're at the same price point, not only this, there are way more alternatives a that price point, such as 981 Cayman GTS, 911 GTS, Cayman 4.0 (this for me is the true Evora killer), Alpine A110 and even the new Corvette.
But a 2016 400 will now be at a price point where it isn't in the same bracket as the cars above.
Onecargarage said:
Thanks - sounds like good logic and further inclines me to go for the Evora.
Couple of other things, too - it’s just about a 2+2 whereas the Cayman is not and the 911 GTS prices have gone crazy. Maybe overheated?
The market is overheated for everything. Go to any model specific internet forum and they're all bragging about their car is so good it's gone up in value, not realising they all have.Couple of other things, too - it’s just about a 2+2 whereas the Cayman is not and the 911 GTS prices have gone crazy. Maybe overheated?
When the chip shortage issue resolved in 2022 the car prices will go back to where they were.
AlexNJ89 said:
The market is overheated for everything. Go to any model specific internet forum and they're all bragging about their car is so good it's gone up in value, not realising they all have.
When the chip shortage issue resolved in 2022 the car prices will go back to where they were.
This can’t be more true. When the chip shortage issue resolved in 2022 the car prices will go back to where they were.
I change my mind every month on what car I want, so I end up just joining loads of car Facebook group. Then never actually buy anything...
But every group is the same “our cars have gone to the moon!”
“Finally they are selling for what they are worth” or the prices are NEVER dropping.
I owned my Evora 400 for almost 3 and a half years before Silverstone sold it for me a few weeks ago. I wouldn't put you off one, but you're going to have to be quick if you want a 400 or can't stretch to a 410 at the moment as there don't seem to be any left on the market at all apart from the waaaayyy overpriced and modified blue one! Nice looking 410 has gone up privately on here for c64k though.
If you are willing to put up with the interior not being premium German and the odd little niggle such as brake switches being a consumable - the Evora was my third lotus after two Exiges and I replaced the brake switch at 3 years old on each car - it's a cracking car for the money. Nothing steers like the Evora apart from another Lotus, the ride is incredible, the noise is fabulous and the 400s onwards are properly fast cars. It's also remarkably cheap on consumables, I ran Michelin PS4S throughout the time I owned it, did 10,000 miles in that time including a couple of trackdays at Snetterton and the tyres still had well over 4MM each when it was sold! The rear was perfectly serviceable for my kids until the eldest hit 8 or so, after that she got a bit cramped with knees hitting the seat. Also note that very short people can't drive it - my wife is 5'2 and was unable to depress the clutch pedal to the bottom. You have to get the manual for the LSD but that does mean you have to endure some transmission noise at low revs. The automatic solves that but you end up with a lower rev limit and no LSD.
As I say, I loved mine and most owners do. There's nothing else really like it for the money frankly. I have an early deposit down for an Emira but am likely to wait for the AMG, after 2 Lotus' in a row with the V6 powertrain I'm leaning towards trying something else...
If you are willing to put up with the interior not being premium German and the odd little niggle such as brake switches being a consumable - the Evora was my third lotus after two Exiges and I replaced the brake switch at 3 years old on each car - it's a cracking car for the money. Nothing steers like the Evora apart from another Lotus, the ride is incredible, the noise is fabulous and the 400s onwards are properly fast cars. It's also remarkably cheap on consumables, I ran Michelin PS4S throughout the time I owned it, did 10,000 miles in that time including a couple of trackdays at Snetterton and the tyres still had well over 4MM each when it was sold! The rear was perfectly serviceable for my kids until the eldest hit 8 or so, after that she got a bit cramped with knees hitting the seat. Also note that very short people can't drive it - my wife is 5'2 and was unable to depress the clutch pedal to the bottom. You have to get the manual for the LSD but that does mean you have to endure some transmission noise at low revs. The automatic solves that but you end up with a lower rev limit and no LSD.
As I say, I loved mine and most owners do. There's nothing else really like it for the money frankly. I have an early deposit down for an Emira but am likely to wait for the AMG, after 2 Lotus' in a row with the V6 powertrain I'm leaning towards trying something else...
Edited by gashead1105 on Wednesday 1st September 15:29
AlexNJ89 said:
As for residuals, I think the 410s and 430s will really suffer due to the Emira because they're at the same price point, not only this, there are way more alternatives a that price point, such as 981 Cayman GTS, 911 GTS, Cayman 4.0 (this for me is the true Evora killer), Alpine A110 and even the new Corvette.
Interesting that you think a 2-seater is the true Evora killer. Isn't the main benefit of the Evora that it has useable (for short journeys at least) rear seats? I too have been considering 911 (997) vs. Evora, but the only problem is I want at least a 400 for the revised shape which then pushes the budget up.AyBee said:
Interesting that you think a 2-seater is the true Evora killer. Isn't the main benefit of the Evora that it has useable (for short journeys at least) rear seats? I too have been considering 911 (997) vs. Evora, but the only problem is I want at least a 400 for the revised shape which then pushes the budget up.
I'd say the rear seats are close to useless unless you have kids aged under 5. It's more just storage space. But what you lose with rear seats in the Cayman you gain with having two boots.AlexNJ89 said:
I'd say the rear seats are close to useless unless you have kids aged under 5. It's more just storage space. But what you lose with rear seats in the Cayman you gain with having two boots.
I think that's a bit harsh but I certainly wouldn't expect adults to go in the back for any period of time. Headroom is rather limited. And if the front occupants are tall then rear legroom is limited/non existent too!!AlexNJ89 said:
AyBee said:
Interesting that you think a 2-seater is the true Evora killer. Isn't the main benefit of the Evora that it has useable (for short journeys at least) rear seats? I too have been considering 911 (997) vs. Evora, but the only problem is I want at least a 400 for the revised shape which then pushes the budget up.
I'd say the rear seats are close to useless unless you have kids aged under 5. It's more just storage space. But what you lose with rear seats in the Cayman you gain with having two boots.
I looked at an early S to replace my 911 but ultimately stuck with the 911 because the rear seats were just too small for my kids. My kids are 8 and 10 and even the 8 year old (who is small for her age) had no chance in the back of the Evora.
I loved how it drove but it did feel a bit naff and cheap inside. I can't comment on the values of the more expensive ones but at the bottom of the market (where I was buying) they seem to be about the only sports cars that haven't gone up. An early non S was c£28k in 2019 and that still seems to be the bottom of the market now. They did go up slightly during 2020 but seem to have went down again.
I loved how it drove but it did feel a bit naff and cheap inside. I can't comment on the values of the more expensive ones but at the bottom of the market (where I was buying) they seem to be about the only sports cars that haven't gone up. An early non S was c£28k in 2019 and that still seems to be the bottom of the market now. They did go up slightly during 2020 but seem to have went down again.
I've driven a few early Evoras and been a passenger in a 400. Absolutely fantastic driver cars, lovely trademark Lotus steering feel and handling. I reluctantly sold my Elise as I couldn't get out and was tempted by a 400 with the lower sill but it would be too wide for our narrow garage.
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