Greater Manchester clean air zone

[scottyp123]

Cant see a thread on this but it has just registered my interest all of a sudden, I'd heard mutterings about it in the past but I was under the impression that it was something to do with Bury only for some reason. Turns out that next year the whole of Greater Manchester will come under some sort of green bks and it will cost £10 a day to drive into if you have a van or taxi etc.

Are they insane?

We currently have a van and I think its a Euro 5, registered in 2015 and nearly all of our work is inside Greater Manchester, 5 days a week. Who in their wildest dreams would think I will be paying £10 each and every day to do that work? I'll just get an estate car. Its nuts and totally unworkable. Not only that I'll make sure the car is a £30 a year tax jobbie as well and not the £260 we currently pay for the van.

What I find staggering about it though is the lack of information on what is chargeable or not, I've had to read three different guides to even find out that euro 5's are still chargeable. This is the main site I think. How has it even snuck in under the radar, we are infested by communists everywhere.

https://cleanairgm.com/

[andyalan10]

Man says he will buy lower emission vehicle to avoid government attempts to lower emissions.

And it's 2023 for vans.

[scottyp123]

andyalan10 said:

Man says he will buy lower emission vehicle to avoid government attempts to lower emissions.

And it's 2023 for vans.

Its an attempt to avoid paying £10 a day forever more, I couldn't give a stuff about the emissions. I doubt a 2.0 diesel estate car loaded up to the hilt with work gear will be any cleaner than a modern 1.6 diesel van. We may have a euro 6 van by then anyway but its put me off getting another van ever again, they always hammer the hard working people first.

[deckster]

scottyp123 said:

green bks

scottyp123 said:

communists everywhere.

Riiiight....

[georgeyboy12345]

lol

[valiant]

Op, whatever you do, don’t come to London. It’ll blow your mind.

Aren’t most major cities considering similar schemes?

[scottyp123]

deckster said:

scottyp123 said:

green bks

scottyp123 said:

communists everywhere.

Riiiight....

Whatever my choice of words, do you think this is a good idea going forward? do you think it will stop at vans? in a couple of years it will be all vehicles and then they will turn on the electric ones with forever increasing prices and fines.

[georgeyboy12345]

https://cleanairgm.com/clean-air-plans#check-your-...

Check your vehicle there.

Manchester’s clean air plans are much easier on ordinary people as those who privately own non-complaint cars won’t have to pay any kind of fee, unlike in Birmingham or London. Only if you use your vehicle for business purposes, i.e it’s a taxi/private hire/van/bus/truck and it’s non compliant will you have to pay anything.

I can’t wait for them to bring it in, I’m sick of sitting behind dirty smelly vans and taxis in the traffic.

Edit: for vans, it won’t be introduced until June 2023, so plenty of time to save up for a nice, clean euro6 compliant van.

Edited by georgeyboy12345 on Wednesday 1st September 18:08

[bristolracer]

In London, Tradespeople simply pass the charge onto the customer.

I would be more concerned about the creeping pedestrian and parking schemes that seem hell bent on making sure you cannot get a van anywhere near your clients house/flat, leaving you with no choice other than to carry tools, materials and ladders hundreds of yards in order to work

[scottyp123]

I suppose it could be a good money maker, obviously it will go onto the invoice when you bill the customer but I'll bet it will go on every invoice even if you do half a dozen quick jobs in one day.

It is just ridiculous though, I take it that it will cost me exactly the same amount to drive 5 miles to the customers house, park up for 8 hours and then drive home again as it will an amazon driver that does 500 miles around GM every day.

[scottyp123]

georgeyboy12345 said:

https://cleanairgm.com/clean-air-plans#check-your-...

Check your vehicle there.

Manchester’s clean air plans are much easier on ordinary people as those who privately own non-complaint cars won’t have to pay any kind of fee, unlike in Birmingham or London. Only if you use your vehicle for business purposes, i.e it’s a taxi/private hire/van/bus/truck and it’s non compliant will you have to pay anything.

I can’t wait for them to bring it in, I’m sick of sitting behind dirty smelly vans and taxis in the traffic.

Edit: for vans, it won’t be introduced until June 2023, so plenty of time to save up for a nice, clean euro6 compliant van.

Edited by georgeyboy12345 on Wednesday 1st September 18:08

I've just seen the exemption in the guide, gives us another year I suppose. I take it all the double decker busses that are knocking about have to pay it too?

I've just seen you can get a grant as well but I would be very wary of getting sucked into anything like that.

[Pothole]

scottyp123 said:

Whatever my choice of words, do you think this is a good idea going forward? do you think it will stop at vans? in a couple of years it will be all vehicles and then they will turn on the electric ones with forever increasing prices and fines.

Do tell us why electric vehicles will be targeted for their effect on air quality.

If this is news to you, where have you been for the last 5 years?

[scottyp123]

Pothole said:

scottyp123 said:

Whatever my choice of words, do you think this is a good idea going forward? do you think it will stop at vans? in a couple of years it will be all vehicles and then they will turn on the electric ones with forever increasing prices and fines.

Do tell us why electric vehicles will be targeted for their effect on air quality.

If this is news to you, where have you been for the last 5 years?

Where have you been? I have already seen articles stating that tyres and brake pads give off polluting particles even in electric cars. They are gearing up to rape the electric vehicles when petrol and diesel cars run out.

Its not as if its the first time there has been a U-turn either, remember when we were all told to go out and buy diesel vehicles because they were better, as soon as everyone did the tax on diesel rocketed because diesel was suddenly bad.

Then there was the taxation classes, their utopia was small cars would be cheap or even free to tax because they pollute less so car companies invested billions in making small less polluting engines. Then when the tax money started drying up the goalposts moved yet again.

Its all about the money, it always has been. Electric cars will cost just as much to run as petrol and diesel vehicles do now in the long term, anyone who thinks they will be getting a free ride must be deluded.

[Terminator X]

scottyp123 said:

Cant see a thread on this but it has just registered my interest all of a sudden, I'd heard mutterings about it in the past but I was under the impression that it was something to do with Bury only for some reason. Turns out that next year the whole of Greater Manchester will come under some sort of green bks and it will cost £10 a day to drive into if you have a van or taxi etc.

Are they insane?

We currently have a van and I think its a Euro 5, registered in 2015 and nearly all of our work is inside Greater Manchester, 5 days a week. Who in their wildest dreams would think I will be paying £10 each and every day to do that work? I'll just get an estate car. Its nuts and totally unworkable. Not only that I'll make sure the car is a £30 a year tax jobbie as well and not the £260 we currently pay for the van.

What I find staggering about it though is the lack of information on what is chargeable or not, I've had to read three different guides to even find out that euro 5's are still chargeable. This is the main site I think. How has it even snuck in under the radar, we are infested by communists everywhere.

https://cleanairgm.com/

London seems to make a fortune from it but yeah green issues of course.

TX.

[efcgriswold]

scottyp123 said:

Pothole said:

scottyp123 said:

Whatever my choice of words, do you think this is a good idea going forward? do you think it will stop at vans? in a couple of years it will be all vehicles and then they will turn on the electric ones with forever increasing prices and fines.

Do tell us why electric vehicles will be targeted for their effect on air quality.

If this is news to you, where have you been for the last 5 years?

Where have you been? I have already seen articles stating that tyres and brake pads give off polluting particles even in electric cars. They are gearing up to rape the electric vehicles when petrol and diesel cars run out.

Its not as if its the first time there has been a U-turn either, remember when we were all told to go out and buy diesel vehicles because they were better, as soon as everyone did the tax on diesel rocketed because diesel was suddenly bad.

Then there was the taxation classes, their utopia was small cars would be cheap or even free to tax because they pollute less so car companies invested billions in making small less polluting engines. Then when the tax money started drying up the goalposts moved yet again.

Its all about the money, it always has been. Electric cars will cost just as much to run as petrol and diesel vehicles do now in the long term, anyone who thinks they will be getting a free ride must be deluded.

Always wondered where the government would find the lost duty on fuel when everyone stops using it. Likewise for if everyone stopped smoking.

[Pothole]

scottyp123 said:

Where have you been? I have already seen articles stating that tyres and brake pads give off polluting particles even in electric cars. They are gearing up to rape the electric vehicles when petrol and diesel cars run out.

Its not as if its the first time there has been a U-turn either, remember when we were all told to go out and buy diesel vehicles because they were better, as soon as everyone did the tax on diesel rocketed because diesel was suddenly bad.

Then there was the taxation classes, their utopia was small cars would be cheap or even free to tax because they pollute less so car companies invested billions in making small less polluting engines. Then when the tax money started drying up the goalposts moved yet again.

Its all about the money, it always has been. Electric cars will cost just as much to run as petrol and diesel vehicles do now in the long term, anyone who thinks they will be getting a free ride must be deluded.

So you saw all those articles but nothing about the Manc clean air zone? OK.

As a percentage of overall price the tax on diesel has stayed aligned with that on petrol for the last decade or so

https://www.racfoundation.org/data/taxation-as-per...

Lower emissions engines ARE cheaper or even free VED. What are you on about?

[scottyp123]

Pothole said:

scottyp123 said:

Where have you been? I have already seen articles stating that tyres and brake pads give off polluting particles even in electric cars. They are gearing up to rape the electric vehicles when petrol and diesel cars run out.

Its not as if its the first time there has been a U-turn either, remember when we were all told to go out and buy diesel vehicles because they were better, as soon as everyone did the tax on diesel rocketed because diesel was suddenly bad.

Then there was the taxation classes, their utopia was small cars would be cheap or even free to tax because they pollute less so car companies invested billions in making small less polluting engines. Then when the tax money started drying up the goalposts moved yet again.

Its all about the money, it always has been. Electric cars will cost just as much to run as petrol and diesel vehicles do now in the long term, anyone who thinks they will be getting a free ride must be deluded.

So you saw all those articles but nothing about the Manc clean air zone? OK.

As a percentage of overall price the tax on diesel has stayed aligned with that on petrol for the last decade or so

https://www.racfoundation.org/data/taxation-as-per...

Lower emissions engines ARE cheaper or even free VED. What are you on about?

I saw something about it but I'm sure it mentioned that it was being rolled out in Bury only, they were talking about how those busnisses were being unfairly treated compared to the rest of GM.

As for cheap car tax, compare these two

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202108186...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202105232...

[scottyp123]

As for the tyres and brakes pollution I was going to link an article if I could find one but I think I'll just link the search results instead as there are so many to choose from.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=electric+cars+tyres+and+...

Getting in early as they say.

[MDMA .]

scottyp123 said:

andyalan10 said:

Man says he will buy lower emission vehicle to avoid government attempts to lower emissions.

And it's 2023 for vans.

Its an attempt to avoid paying £10 a day forever more, I couldn't give a stuff about the emissions. I doubt a 2.0 diesel estate car loaded up to the hilt with work gear will be any cleaner than a modern 1.6 diesel van. We may have a euro 6 van by then anyway but its put me off getting another van ever again, they always hammer the hard working people first.

Well they can't take it off the lazy fkers who don't work, can they?

[scottyp123]

MDMA . said:

Well they can't take it off the lazy fkers who don't work, can they?

They could always give them less or just stop wasting it in the first place, then they wouldn't need it. I should have been the chancellor.