Right-wing extremist 'told to read classic books' by judge
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Seems bizarre taken at face value 
Review bid after right-wing extremist 'told to read classic books'
Review bid after right-wing extremist 'told to read classic books'
The offence is bizarre as well: "Found guilty of possessing a record of information likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism on 12 August"
So you don't need any intent to commit a terrorist act, just be in possession of information which might come in handy if you did so intend? Seems a bit of a catchall.
So you don't need any intent to commit a terrorist act, just be in possession of information which might come in handy if you did so intend? Seems a bit of a catchall.
Unbelievable. So reading books written by white people about white people at the height of European colonialism, when white people literally ruled to world (and when white supremacy was thought to be a self evident truth) is going to cure him of white supremacy? How stupid and out of touch can that judge be?
If you were trying to use literature or books then surely he should be ordered to read books like Mandela’s autobiography or du Bois or Alice Walker. Although I doubt such an approach would work.
I thought that there were organisations that helped de-radicalise white supremacists.
Perhaps he could have been made to do community service eg working at a refugee centre.
If you were trying to use literature or books then surely he should be ordered to read books like Mandela’s autobiography or du Bois or Alice Walker. Although I doubt such an approach would work.
I thought that there were organisations that helped de-radicalise white supremacists.
Perhaps he could have been made to do community service eg working at a refugee centre.
Esceptico said:
Unbelievable. So reading books written by white people about white people at the height of European colonialism, when white people literally ruled to world (and when white supremacy was thought to be a self evident truth) is going to cure him of white supremacy? How stupid and out of touch can that judge be?
If you were trying to use literature or books then surely he should be ordered to read books like Mandela’s autobiography or du Bois or Alice Walker. Although I doubt such an approach would work.
I thought that there were organisations that helped de-radicalise white supremacists.
Perhaps he could have been made to do community service eg working at a refugee centre.
You don’t want him to try to achieve societal change and try to become a race hero by using explosives…but you want him to read Mandela…who achieved societal change and became a hero by using explosives.If you were trying to use literature or books then surely he should be ordered to read books like Mandela’s autobiography or du Bois or Alice Walker. Although I doubt such an approach would work.
I thought that there were organisations that helped de-radicalise white supremacists.
Perhaps he could have been made to do community service eg working at a refugee centre.
Liokault said:
You don’t want him to try to achieve societal change and try to become a race hero by using explosives…but you want him to read Mandela…who achieved societal change and became a hero by using explosives.
Mmm…okay perhaps I didn’t think that one through! But I think you know what I mean - try getting him to read something to understand what it is like for non whites who have experienced racial discrimination. b
hstewie said:
hstewie said: I don't know if they take the almost 70,000 anti-semitic and white supremacist documents they found into account when determining intent or if it's "just" the bomb-making manual he had that did for him.
Not a nice chap going from the articles.
I am sure you are correct. I was only speculating about the oddity of that particular offence. And I would like to think that you can't be convicted of a terrorist offence without proof of intent to actually do something, or to encourage others to do something. I suppose really I was surprised that he was not charged with anything more concrete.Not a nice chap going from the articles.
Ah, it doesn't say by reading all that it will cure him. I think the judge is being clever, he's told him to "Start with Pride And Prejudice and Dickens's A Tale Of Two Cities. Shakespeare's Twelfth Night. Think about Hardy. Think about Trollope.
"On January 4 you will tell me what you have read and I will test you on it."
If the defendant answers all the judge's test questioning easily, I reckon judge will turn round and say 'ah bright young dangerous man, I was unsure whether all that material you'd amassed was able to be read by someone like you. Obviously you can. Take him down, 10 yrs.'
"On January 4 you will tell me what you have read and I will test you on it."
If the defendant answers all the judge's test questioning easily, I reckon judge will turn round and say 'ah bright young dangerous man, I was unsure whether all that material you'd amassed was able to be read by someone like you. Obviously you can. Take him down, 10 yrs.'
And another one (no books this time).
Teenage neo-Nazi, 18, who wanted to shoot an Asian friend with 3D printed gun over boasts he slept with 'white chicks' is found guilty of terror plot
Some "friend" eh.
What the fk is wrong with these people 
Teenage neo-Nazi, 18, who wanted to shoot an Asian friend with 3D printed gun over boasts he slept with 'white chicks' is found guilty of terror plot
Some "friend" eh.
What the f
k is wrong with these people mac96 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I don't know if they take the almost 70,000 anti-semitic and white supremacist documents they found into account when determining intent or if it's "just" the bomb-making manual he had that did for him.
Not a nice chap going from the articles.
I am sure you are correct. I was only speculating about the oddity of that particular offence. And I would like to think that you can't be convicted of a terrorist offence without proof of intent to actually do something, or to encourage others to do something. I suppose really I was surprised that he was not charged with anything more concrete.Not a nice chap going from the articles.
And it seems most judges are absolutely bats
t crazy. ChocolateFrog said:
mac96 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I don't know if they take the almost 70,000 anti-semitic and white supremacist documents they found into account when determining intent or if it's "just" the bomb-making manual he had that did for him.
Not a nice chap going from the articles.
I am sure you are correct. I was only speculating about the oddity of that particular offence. And I would like to think that you can't be convicted of a terrorist offence without proof of intent to actually do something, or to encourage others to do something. I suppose really I was surprised that he was not charged with anything more concrete.Not a nice chap going from the articles.
And it seems most judges are absolutely bats
t crazy. mac96 said:
I am sure you are correct. I was only speculating about the oddity of that particular offence. And I would like to think that you can't be convicted of a terrorist offence without proof of intent to actually do something, or to encourage others to do something. I suppose really I was surprised that he was not charged with anything more concrete.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments#United_Kingdombhstewie said:
hstewie said: And another one (no books this time).
Teenage neo-Nazi, 18, who wanted to shoot an Asian friend with 3D printed gun over boasts he slept with 'white chicks' is found guilty of terror plot
Some "friend" eh.
What the fk is wrong with these people
Yeah it does seem quite an overreaction to casual racism! It's hard to imagine that a person with such views would also have an asian person as a friend. Teenage neo-Nazi, 18, who wanted to shoot an Asian friend with 3D printed gun over boasts he slept with 'white chicks' is found guilty of terror plot
Some "friend" eh.
What the f
k is wrong with these people bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Seems bizarre taken at face value
Review bid after right-wing extremist 'told to read classic books'
I thought you were against locking them up and throwing away the key... Oh right-wing terrorist... as you were.Review bid after right-wing extremist 'told to read classic books'
Vanden Saab said:
I thought you were against locking them up and throwing away the key... Oh right-wing terrorist... as you were.
I don't think I've said that have I?There are cases where it's absolutely the right and only answer.
The terrorist who got shot at Streatham couldn't have done what he did if he'd been in jail.
How would people feel if this chap goes out tomorrow and kills someone when he was meant to be at the library reading some books?
Then again look at the Fishmongers hall incident and you have both the perpetrator and the people who stopped him only there because we don't lock everyone up and throw away the key.
Do you think it's right to tell him to go and read some books?
Vanden Saab said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Seems bizarre taken at face value
Review bid after right-wing extremist 'told to read classic books'
I thought you were against locking them up and throwing away the key... Oh right-wing terrorist... as you were.Review bid after right-wing extremist 'told to read classic books'
This guy isn’t a terrorist, he’s a guys in possession of books the could be regulated under section 58 of the terrorism act. So many books he couldn’t possibly have actually read 10% of them.
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