Possible 1% - 2% NI rise for pay for adult social care
Discussion
Being reported today, an announcement next week apparently.
Surely there must be a better way? It doesn't seem fair that a young family will have to pay more tax so that some OAP can have someone visit to wipe their arse each day when they may be sitting on several hundred thousand tax free equity in their home.
Surely there must be a better way? It doesn't seem fair that a young family will have to pay more tax so that some OAP can have someone visit to wipe their arse each day when they may be sitting on several hundred thousand tax free equity in their home.
I have no problem paying more tax for social care, but there does need to be some serious questions about how it is funded and the fairness of retaining the triple lock whilst increasing taxes to fund social care. When we have massive problems with inter generational equality increasing taxes whilst not addressing that is a problem.
Rufus Stone said:
Being reported today, an announcement next week apparently.
Surely there must be a better way? It doesn't seem fair that a young family will have to pay more tax so that some OAP can have someone visit to wipe their arse each day when they may be sitting on several hundred thousand tax free equity in their home.
We all get old !!! as others have said if this is ring fenced it’s fine , anyway why should someone who never owned their own house or saved get free care , and someone who saved and worked hard Pay for care ??Surely there must be a better way? It doesn't seem fair that a young family will have to pay more tax so that some OAP can have someone visit to wipe their arse each day when they may be sitting on several hundred thousand tax free equity in their home.
Ivan stewart said:
We all get old !!! as others have said if this is ring fenced it’s fine , anyway why should someone who never owned their own house or saved get free care , and someone who saved and worked hard Pay for care ??
It's not free, someone has to pay for it. Should it be just earners who are liable for NI contributions or should the cost be spread more evenly across society?Tebbers said:
Disgraceful taxing the young to pay for the old. Wasn’t planning on voting Tory at the next election but certainly won’t be now after years of voting for them. I hope the young rise up.
The young do tend to get old, there are also many people who will end up old and with bugger all, so the only time you’ll get a penny out of them is beforehand.That’s fine but you can also tax all the other wealthy old people to pay for their destitute contemporaries. Not the young who have enough to worry about with unaffordable housing.
Personally I would increase inheritance tax or lower IHT thresholds to pay for this, not penalise work.
And I say this as someone who is comfortably off who may one day stand to inherit six/seven figures. Not boasting but just want to make it clear I’m not some bitter person who is jealous of the rich!
Personally I would increase inheritance tax or lower IHT thresholds to pay for this, not penalise work.
And I say this as someone who is comfortably off who may one day stand to inherit six/seven figures. Not boasting but just want to make it clear I’m not some bitter person who is jealous of the rich!
Edited by Tebbers on Friday 3rd September 07:14
Ivan stewart said:
anyway why should someone who never owned their own house or saved get free care , and someone who saved and worked hard Pay for care ??
Why do you assume someone with their own home worked harder than someone without. In my experience, the lowest paid jobs are often the hardest work. Does the CEO of a large chain of hotels work harder than the hotel cleaners or chambermaids? Sure, he may have specialist skills, and perhaps many more people could do their job than his, but does he work harder? Glad something is being done (announced) ..the ageing population, society shift away from the elderly living with their family and more complex needs have been flagged for the couple of decades I've worked in local government.
The press, and some commentators love to make it an issue of sides though:
"Young" Vs "old"
"Rich" Vs "poor"
"Savers" Vs "non savers"
I would like the government to just apply common principles of a tax system
- based on ability to pay
- mildly progressive
- not overly complex to calculate or collect
However, all simple things are difficult. Judging the ability to pay of an equity rich/cash poor elderly person is not the same as a young family with no equity/uni debts, on in work benefits and probably seeing the biggest chunk of their salary go to pay their landlords mortgage for them.
Someone brought this up in a covid thread, but also relevant here I think: where is the discussion about assisted dying?
The NHS spend I think 33% of their budget on the last 3 years of people's lives. This was the article:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug...
Fair enough that the NHS spend cash when they need to, but surely in the round it needs some consideration.
Also, as someone who lives in England, curious whether the UK government will use this opportunity to do anything to tackle the unfairness that currently exists between our different nations wrt care costs.
Ie tax the four nations the same, but bring parity to care funding at home.
The press, and some commentators love to make it an issue of sides though:
"Young" Vs "old"
"Rich" Vs "poor"
"Savers" Vs "non savers"
I would like the government to just apply common principles of a tax system
- based on ability to pay
- mildly progressive
- not overly complex to calculate or collect
However, all simple things are difficult. Judging the ability to pay of an equity rich/cash poor elderly person is not the same as a young family with no equity/uni debts, on in work benefits and probably seeing the biggest chunk of their salary go to pay their landlords mortgage for them.
Someone brought this up in a covid thread, but also relevant here I think: where is the discussion about assisted dying?
The NHS spend I think 33% of their budget on the last 3 years of people's lives. This was the article:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug...
Fair enough that the NHS spend cash when they need to, but surely in the round it needs some consideration.
Also, as someone who lives in England, curious whether the UK government will use this opportunity to do anything to tackle the unfairness that currently exists between our different nations wrt care costs.
Ie tax the four nations the same, but bring parity to care funding at home.
So the hard fought for NHS staff payrise has already been wiped out then……
To be fair with inflation at the level it is and factual pay increases all individuals need to do is take one year “off” of having a payrise and instead it going into this new tax job jobbed.
We all clapped and banged pans every Thursday 8pm. Now we make the payment in higher taxes. Clapping doesn’t pay the bills.
To be fair with inflation at the level it is and factual pay increases all individuals need to do is take one year “off” of having a payrise and instead it going into this new tax job jobbed.
We all clapped and banged pans every Thursday 8pm. Now we make the payment in higher taxes. Clapping doesn’t pay the bills.
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