Taiwan next after Afghan?
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If USA is signalling that it doesnt want wars abroad or to act as the world's police service, where does that leave places llike Taiwan?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58459128
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58459128
saaby93 said:
If USA is signalling that it doesnt want wars abroad or to act as the world's police service, where does that leave places llike Taiwan?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58459128
Would USA actually fight China over Taiwan today? Perhaps in the past, but the Chinese military has strengthened to a point it would make it too dangerous surely.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58459128
As long as China feels it wants to be friends with the west, it will leave Taiwan as is.
Will be no different to Russia taking Crimea.
i think China will invade Taiwan around 2027/8 and the West wont do s
t otherwise if another virus/bioweapon is accidently released with Chinese origins, they (the West) requires China's co-operation in figuring out how to combat it etc.
Unless the lockdowns and, what will be 2 years atleast, of Western governments appearing 'Weak'. We know our military is anything but weak but the top leadership is, unless its all a bluff?
There was a report (this year) about China's armed forces building up and would have enough within 10 years to invade and occupy Taiwan.
So its abit 1930's all over again
t otherwise if another virus/bioweapon is accidently released with Chinese origins, they (the West) requires China's co-operation in figuring out how to combat it etc.Unless the lockdowns and, what will be 2 years atleast, of Western governments appearing 'Weak'. We know our military is anything but weak but the top leadership is, unless its all a bluff?
There was a report (this year) about China's armed forces building up and would have enough within 10 years to invade and occupy Taiwan.
So its abit 1930's all over again
lemmingjames said:
i think China will invade Taiwan around 2027/8....
In the meantime the West better step up their building of wafer fabs - the current semi-conductor shortages are bad enough, Taiwan being taken off-line will have us pressing classic cars and abacuses back into everyday use.anonymous said:
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...like clockwork...Anyhow, Biden did say this
"As I said in my inaugural address, we will repair our alliances and engage with the world once again, not to meet yesterday’s challenges, but today’s and tomorrow’s. ..."
He also said that he would confront China’s and counter its aggressive, coercive action so if they did decide to focus on Taiwan, or Chinese Taipai as we had to call them during the Olympics to please China, will he stick to his words???
williamp said:
...like clockwork...
Anyhow, Biden did say this
"As I said in my inaugural address, we will repair our alliances and engage with the world once again, not to meet yesterday’s challenges, but today’s and tomorrow’s. ..."
He also said that he would confront China’s and counter its aggressive, coercive action so if they did decide to focus on Taiwan, or Chinese Taipai as we had to call them during the Olympics to please China, will he stick to his words???
Maybe if he can remember!Anyhow, Biden did say this
"As I said in my inaugural address, we will repair our alliances and engage with the world once again, not to meet yesterday’s challenges, but today’s and tomorrow’s. ..."
He also said that he would confront China’s and counter its aggressive, coercive action so if they did decide to focus on Taiwan, or Chinese Taipai as we had to call them during the Olympics to please China, will he stick to his words???
OpulentBob said:
I'm not particularly up on international relations, but - genuine question - what has this got to do with the Taliban/Biden?
Very littleThere are those who claim that abandoning an unwinnable "forever war" in Afghanistan means that the USA lacks the resolve to deal with Chinese aggression in areas of the world that matter. One does not follow the other in my view at all though and in fact this decision frees up resources to focus on the true strategic threats.
LimaDelta said:
Because it shows that despite all their promises, when it suits them, the Americans will abandon you to whatever fate awaits. Just like they did in Afghanisnam. See also South Korea, Estonia, Latvia, etc.
You could say the same about abandoning the South Vietnamese in 1973-75 but the security of the "free world" has still depended on the USA since. Abandoning a puppet regime that is being defeated in a civil war is a very different matter to abandoning an actual ally and partner. The USA may well do the latter but it shouldn't be assumed that it will happen because they have done the former.
saaby93 said:
If USA is signalling that it doesnt want wars abroad or to act as the world's police service, where does that leave places llike Taiwan?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58459128
Why should the USA act as the World's police service?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58459128
I'm not really sure why the sudden lamenting and wailing about the US withdrawing from Afghanistan. There was literally no benefit for the US to have been there for 20 years. Withdrawal is what the vast majority of Americans wanted.
LimaDelta said:
I did, and it has, but only because the US has a vested interest in global security. Regional security? Not always.
The US has a vested interest in US security. Quite often that means creating conflicts in other countries and destroying "security" for millions of others. The world might be a safer place if the US didn't do so much for "freedom"Countdown said:
saaby93 said:
If USA is signalling that it doesnt want wars abroad or to act as the world's police service, where does that leave places llike Taiwan?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58459128
Why should the USA act as the World's police service?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58459128
I'm not really sure why the sudden lamenting and wailing about the US withdrawing from Afghanistan. There was literally no benefit for the US to have been there for 20 years. Withdrawal is what the vast majority of Americans wanted.
If USA backing off leads to world instability is that good for everyone including Americans?
Taiwan has a huge array of weapons lined up facing China just in case no-one else helps.
Someone suggested Japan will step in.
Imagine a battle between Japan/Taiwan vs China. Where is the stabiliser?
Bring in the south China sea ( the name may give a clue to perceived territory)
HMS Queen Elizabeth is just heading there for a trip through international waters. Did that cause much of a stir off Ukraine?
LimaDelta said:
JagLover said:
You could say the same about abandoning the South Vietnamese in 1973-75 but the security of the "free world" has still depended on the USA since.
I did, and it has, but only because the US has a vested interest in global security. Regional security? Not always.Asia-Pacific region most definitely and Obama announced a pivot to East Asia. Europe is still part of an alliance with the USA but in fact does not require American aid to safeguard against an enfeebled Russia, if it spent sufficient money on its own defence that is and didn't equip soldiers with broomsticks.
For many other areas of the world the reality of a unipolar world and a more isolationist America means that they will have to sort out their own affairs.
Looking at Asia-Pacific this is most reminiscent of the growing Japanese-American confrontation in the 1930s. Perhaps a time will come with the USA alone cannot deter China, but America will likely have useful allies in containing China whilst China mainly has puppet states.
Edited by JagLover on Monday 6th September 09:19
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