Unvaccinated care home staff to be sacked from today.
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Yay! Another Covid thread.
Today is the last day that unvaccinated care home staff can get their first jab to ensure they are fully vaccinated by 11th November. If they are not fully vaccinated they can no longer work in a CQC regulated care home.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
There are already thousands of vacancies in the care sector with an ongoing recruitment crisis (Brexit and minimum wage has played a part in this.) Surely this policy needs an urgent rethink, or are we happy to see the care standards for our elderly diminish even more.
SD.
Today is the last day that unvaccinated care home staff can get their first jab to ensure they are fully vaccinated by 11th November. If they are not fully vaccinated they can no longer work in a CQC regulated care home.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
There are already thousands of vacancies in the care sector with an ongoing recruitment crisis (Brexit and minimum wage has played a part in this.) Surely this policy needs an urgent rethink, or are we happy to see the care standards for our elderly diminish even more.
SD.
An interesting thread, and one which is close to my heart.
My OH is a front-line NHS clinician. Having finally got our lives in order (decent house in a decent area etc), we would like to have a child in the near future. Parenthood/fertility aside, we both have grave reservations about having a medical treatment for which there is no long-term data. For healthy people in our age group, I feel that the risks outweigh the possible benefits.
The coercion and strong-arm tactics being employed to drive adoption of the vaccine have a rather sinister feel to them, and have made us feel even less inclined to consider having it.
We feel stuck between a rock and a hard place and are likely to lose an income stream if we stick to our views.
I personally feel that they'll push this through (such a mandate will appeal to the baby boomers, the main Conservative voting demographic). My OH will not be resigning from her position. I do wonder how the process will work when it comes to sacking refuseniks. The NHS is a large organisation, and a sitting duck for unfair dismissal claims.
My OH is a front-line NHS clinician. Having finally got our lives in order (decent house in a decent area etc), we would like to have a child in the near future. Parenthood/fertility aside, we both have grave reservations about having a medical treatment for which there is no long-term data. For healthy people in our age group, I feel that the risks outweigh the possible benefits.
The coercion and strong-arm tactics being employed to drive adoption of the vaccine have a rather sinister feel to them, and have made us feel even less inclined to consider having it.
We feel stuck between a rock and a hard place and are likely to lose an income stream if we stick to our views.
I personally feel that they'll push this through (such a mandate will appeal to the baby boomers, the main Conservative voting demographic). My OH will not be resigning from her position. I do wonder how the process will work when it comes to sacking refuseniks. The NHS is a large organisation, and a sitting duck for unfair dismissal claims.
Oh good, another conspiracy believer. If your partner works in heathcare I'm surprised she isn't vaccinated.
Millions have had the jab without issues and it's certainly not affecting fertility, unless you're believing Nikki Minaj
For the OP, the impact on Covid on care homes is why the vaccine is being mandated. These are some of the most vulnerable people in our society, so isn't it right they should be protected?
Millions have had the jab without issues and it's certainly not affecting fertility, unless you're believing Nikki Minaj
For the OP, the impact on Covid on care homes is why the vaccine is being mandated. These are some of the most vulnerable people in our society, so isn't it right they should be protected?
92203 said:
An interesting thread, and one which is close to my heart.
My OH is a front-line NHS clinician. Having finally got our lives in order (decent house in a decent area etc), we would like to have a child in the near future. Parenthood/fertility aside, we both have grave reservations about having a medical treatment for which there is no long-term data. For healthy people in our age group, I feel that the risks outweigh the possible benefits.
The coercion and strong-arm tactics being employed to drive adoption of the vaccine have a rather sinister feel to them, and have made us feel even less inclined to consider having it.
We feel stuck between a rock and a hard place and are likely to lose an income stream if we stick to our views.
I personally feel that they'll push this through (such a mandate will appeal to the baby boomers, the main Conservative voting demographic). My OH will not be resigning from her position. I do wonder how the process will work when it comes to sacking refuseniks. The NHS is a large organisation, and a sitting duck for unfair dismissal claims.
Just say you're antivax and be done with it.My OH is a front-line NHS clinician. Having finally got our lives in order (decent house in a decent area etc), we would like to have a child in the near future. Parenthood/fertility aside, we both have grave reservations about having a medical treatment for which there is no long-term data. For healthy people in our age group, I feel that the risks outweigh the possible benefits.
The coercion and strong-arm tactics being employed to drive adoption of the vaccine have a rather sinister feel to them, and have made us feel even less inclined to consider having it.
We feel stuck between a rock and a hard place and are likely to lose an income stream if we stick to our views.
I personally feel that they'll push this through (such a mandate will appeal to the baby boomers, the main Conservative voting demographic). My OH will not be resigning from her position. I do wonder how the process will work when it comes to sacking refuseniks. The NHS is a large organisation, and a sitting duck for unfair dismissal claims.
Edit: also just sounds like you're in the waiting game for a payout from the NHS.
Edited by jdizz on Thursday 16th September 11:08
jdizz said:
Just say you're antivax and be done with it.
Edit: also just sounds like you're in the waiting game for a payout from the NHS.
Not anti-vax - that's a rather lazy slur. Until there is longer-term data I'll pass on the vaccine, thanks. If you choose to have it have it, then that's your prerogative. If I was older, or in an "at-risk" group, I'd certainly consider having it now. I'll probably have it the next few years, if still necessary to travel abroad etc.Edit: also just sounds like you're in the waiting game for a payout from the NHS.
Edited by jdizz on Thursday 16th September 11:08
My OH is tested for Covid on a bi-weekly basis. Bearing in mind that the vaccinated can still carry and spread the virus, I think that a decent testing regimen should suffice.
Edited by 92203 on Thursday 16th September 11:26
Byker28i said:
Oh good, another conspiracy believer. If your partner works in heathcare I'm surprised she isn't vaccinated.
Millions have had the jab without issues and it's certainly not affecting fertility, unless you're believing Nikki Minaj
The vast majority of healthcare workers have likely been exposed already to the virus so many are understandably reluctant to risk the vaccine side effects for no gain. They also will often be better informed about said side effects than those who say nothing to worry about, after doing no research. Millions have had the jab without issues and it's certainly not affecting fertility, unless you're believing Nikki Minaj
As for fertility no proven effect on fertility no. A significant number of women have had their monthly cycles affected though and this is still unexplained.
Edited by JagLover on Thursday 16th September 13:26
92203 said:
Not anti-vax - that's a rather lazy slur. Until there is long-term data I'll pass on the vaccine, thanks. If you choose to have it have it, then that's your prerogative. If I was older, or in an "at-risk" group, I'd certainly consider having it now.
My OH is tested for Covid on a bi-weekly basis. Bearing in mind that the vaccinated can still carry and spread the virus, I think that a decent testing regimen should suffice.
It's your prerogative to refuse the vaccine. That doesn't mean your decision will be / should be free of consequences.My OH is tested for Covid on a bi-weekly basis. Bearing in mind that the vaccinated can still carry and spread the virus, I think that a decent testing regimen should suffice.
If we were looking at a care home (my mum was in one earlier in the year, now back home) I'd cross any off the list with staff who were choosing not to vaccinate - if that information was available of course. I doubt I'm alone in that.
My wife and several of her colleagues are waiting to be told “you no longer have a job”. They work in A&E where there’s already a shortage of staff and reliance on agency workers.
While a fair number have had two injections with no issue, a lot have had the first but are refusing a second due to the side effects both experienced and seen in patients. We now know of ten full time staff (mix of doctors, nurses, and healthcare assistants) who are still deciding to not have the injection and are happy to work elsewhere if it comes to it. Student nurses have also been told that they’ll require two injections to do placements and complete their courses - again it will be interesting to see what happens there.
Be interesting to see what happens to the healthcare sector, I imagine it’ll miss the staff they’ve forced out more than the staff will miss the job.
While a fair number have had two injections with no issue, a lot have had the first but are refusing a second due to the side effects both experienced and seen in patients. We now know of ten full time staff (mix of doctors, nurses, and healthcare assistants) who are still deciding to not have the injection and are happy to work elsewhere if it comes to it. Student nurses have also been told that they’ll require two injections to do placements and complete their courses - again it will be interesting to see what happens there.
Be interesting to see what happens to the healthcare sector, I imagine it’ll miss the staff they’ve forced out more than the staff will miss the job.
Byker28i said:
Oh good, another conspiracy believer. If your partner works in heathcare I'm surprised she isn't vaccinated.
Millions have had the jab without issues and it's certainly not affecting fertility, unless you're believing Nikki Minaj
For the OP, the impact on Covid on care homes is why the vaccine is being mandated. These are some of the most vulnerable people in our society, so isn't it right they should be protected?
How many of those millions are I an age group where fertility is of concern? It's also been < 6 months for the groups that are more likely to be starting/extending families trying to do so, so how can you possibly know what affect it's having at this point let alone with such a level of certainty? Millions have had the jab without issues and it's certainly not affecting fertility, unless you're believing Nikki Minaj
For the OP, the impact on Covid on care homes is why the vaccine is being mandated. These are some of the most vulnerable people in our society, so isn't it right they should be protected?
Reminds me of JVT's answer to a young girl when asked about the long term risks of the vaccine to healthy young people "We know the long term affects as have vaccinated millions of people". Absolute horses
t, and he knew it.monthou said:
92203 said:
Not anti-vax - that's a rather lazy slur. Until there is long-term data I'll pass on the vaccine, thanks. If you choose to have it have it, then that's your prerogative. If I was older, or in an "at-risk" group, I'd certainly consider having it now.
My OH is tested for Covid on a bi-weekly basis. Bearing in mind that the vaccinated can still carry and spread the virus, I think that a decent testing regimen should suffice.
It's your prerogative to refuse the vaccine. That doesn't mean your decision will be / should be free of consequences.My OH is tested for Covid on a bi-weekly basis. Bearing in mind that the vaccinated can still carry and spread the virus, I think that a decent testing regimen should suffice.
If we were looking at a care home (my mum was in one earlier in the year, now back home) I'd cross any off the list with staff who were choosing not to vaccinate - if that information was available of course. I doubt I'm alone in that.
dudleybloke said:
It's the best thing to have happened to a couple of friends of mine, they quit care and now earn more money for working better hours and they have their weekends back now.
The employers picked a bad time to play hardball.
The employers picked a bad time to play hardball.
Imagine threatening people on the minimum wage cleaning up s
t for a living with “you’ll be sacked if you don’t have this magical injection you don’t want ” 
92203 said:
My OH is a front-line NHS clinician.
I don't believe you.92203 said:
Having finally got our lives in order (decent house in a decent area etc), we would like to have a child in the near future. Parenthood/fertility aside, we both have grave reservations about having a medical treatment for which there is no long-term data. For healthy people in our age group, I feel that the risks outweigh the possible benefits.
And you're an idiot, to boot. You'd rather have a disease for which there is no long-term data, as opposed to a treatment, which according to the best study so far is some 400 times safer?BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
While a fair number have had two injections with no issue, a lot have had the first but are refusing a second due to the side effects both experienced and seen in patients. We now know of ten full time staff (mix of doctors, nurses, and healthcare assistants) who are still deciding to not have the injection and are happy to work elsewhere if it comes to it.
Pah, what do doctors and nurses know about it. Just tell them byker28 off the internet says it's all 100% safe.Byker28i said:
Oh good, another conspiracy believer. If your partner works in heathcare I'm surprised she isn't vaccinated.
Millions have had the jab without issues and it's certainly not affecting fertility, unless you're believing Nikki Minaj
For the OP, the impact on Covid on care homes is why the vaccine is being mandated. These are some of the most vulnerable people in our society, so isn't it right they should be protected?
You are aware that the vaccine only offers something like 60% protection against getting infected, right? And infected, vaccinated people produce at least as much viral shedding as infected, non-vaccinated people. You understand that, yes?Millions have had the jab without issues and it's certainly not affecting fertility, unless you're believing Nikki Minaj
For the OP, the impact on Covid on care homes is why the vaccine is being mandated. These are some of the most vulnerable people in our society, so isn't it right they should be protected?
It does however greatly lessen symptoms in those infected, vaccinated, people - leading to them going around as normal, spreading the disease. I'm pretty sure we had a term for that, what was it ..... ? Oh yeah - Superspreader.
Oh, who am I kidding. You most likely don't have a clue about any of the fine details of all this stuff and just follow the consensus that the mainstream media and social media echo chambers spew out.
jdizz said:
Just say you're antivax and be done with it.
Edit: also just sounds like you're in the waiting game for a payout from the NHS.
Wonderful level of debate.Edit: also just sounds like you're in the waiting game for a payout from the NHS.
Edited by jdizz on Thursday 16th September 11:08
The guy is asking about the (needless) implications for an already desperately strained adult social care system, and you call him a name like a 5 year old.
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