SNP Drink Drive Failure.
Discussion
The reduction in the alcohol limit for driving in Scotland did not reduce accidents.
"All of this suggests that there was never much of an issue with people driving after consuming a single drink. The real problem is with people having a skinful before getting behind the wheel – a more difficult problem to solve. It requires hard work, money and police resources."
Passing headline laws is easy. Funding traffic depts less easy and doesn't get headlines.
https://www.cityam.com/from-scotland-with-love-ind...
"All of this suggests that there was never much of an issue with people driving after consuming a single drink. The real problem is with people having a skinful before getting behind the wheel – a more difficult problem to solve. It requires hard work, money and police resources."
Passing headline laws is easy. Funding traffic depts less easy and doesn't get headlines.
https://www.cityam.com/from-scotland-with-love-ind...
If they put more effort into researching the subject first before jumping the gun and passing laws they might have had a better result. Alas this is just another fail in the very long list of SNP failures. Remember this is the party that had an MSP done for driving without insurance and holding the post of Transport Minister. The whole lot of them are out of their depth in a puddle.
Pastor Of Muppets said:
If they put more effort into researching the subject first before jumping the gun and passing laws they might have had a better result. Alas this is just another fail in the very long list of SNP failures. Remember this is the party that had an MSP done for driving without insurance and holding the post of Transport Minister. The whole lot of them are out of their depth in a puddle.
Have to agree, a complete bunch of Nanny State power mad numpties!!ninepoint2 said:
Pastor Of Muppets said:
If they put more effort into researching the subject first before jumping the gun and passing laws they might have had a better result. Alas this is just another fail in the very long list of SNP failures. Remember this is the party that had an MSP done for driving without insurance and holding the post of Transport Minister. The whole lot of them are out of their depth in a puddle.
Have to agree, a complete bunch of Nanny State power mad numpties!!It was blatantly obvious at the time they proposed this that the most significant difference this was going to have is that a person who was previously 5 times over the drink drive limit would now be 8 times over.
Like most of the hot air blowing around Holyrood it's been a waste of good oxygen
Like most of the hot air blowing around Holyrood it's been a waste of good oxygen
Maybe the SNP could rescind their petulant little tyranny and toss a very small lifeline to the rural hospitality trade(what's left of it after 18 months of CV19), but monkeys flying out of my butt is more likely. I could more easily cope with their literally orwellian desire to police thoughts and meddle in the lives of children if they weren't so s
t at the bread and butter of government.
t at the bread and butter of government. irc said:
The reduction in the alcohol limit for driving in Scotland did not reduce accidents.
"All of this suggests that there was never much of an issue with people driving after consuming a single drink. The real problem is with people having a skinful before getting behind the wheel – a more difficult problem to solve. It requires hard work, money and police resources."
Passing headline laws is easy. Funding traffic depts less easy and doesn't get headlines.
https://www.cityam.com/from-scotland-with-love-ind...
The surprise is that anyone would find this a surprise."All of this suggests that there was never much of an issue with people driving after consuming a single drink. The real problem is with people having a skinful before getting behind the wheel – a more difficult problem to solve. It requires hard work, money and police resources."
Passing headline laws is easy. Funding traffic depts less easy and doesn't get headlines.
https://www.cityam.com/from-scotland-with-love-ind...
ZedLeg said:
It really is any excuse to have a go at the SNP isn’t it 
Is there a good reason for not having a zero limit on alcohol while driving?
A policy they put in place against a lot of opposition, which has achieved none of the things they said it would and caused actual economic damage; why yes, I think I will blame them for it. Is there a good reason for not having a zero limit on alcohol while driving?
ZedLeg said:
Is there a good reason for not having a zero limit on alcohol while driving?
Yes..... it achieves the square root of fook all ..... whilst placing restrictions on & criminalising people.It's a bit like pursuing zero covid, very honourable in motive, but ultimately fruitless.
ZedLeg said:
It really is any excuse to have a go at the SNP isn’t it
Is there a good reason for not having a zero limit on alcohol while driving?
Other products besides drink contain trace amounts of alcohol, if you'd had a drink on Friday or Saturday then how would you know when it has fully left you system?Is there a good reason for not having a zero limit on alcohol while driving?
ZedLeg said:
It really is any excuse to have a go at the SNP isn’t it
Is there a good reason for not having a zero limit on alcohol while driving?
Yes. Lots of reasons for people to have small amounts of alcohol in their blood. Medicine, mouth wash, bread, ripe fruit, fruit juice, soy sauce… basically anything that has been fermented or could be and is not sealed.Is there a good reason for not having a zero limit on alcohol while driving?
ZedLeg said:
It really is any excuse to have a go at the SNP isn’t it
Is there a good reason for not having a zero limit on alcohol while driving?
If the evidence shows that a 50 limit doesn't save lives or reduce accidents why criminalise people for harmless behaviour?Is there a good reason for not having a zero limit on alcohol while driving?
It is for those making laws to justify them.
ZedLeg said:
A lot of people would argue about whether drinking is harmless behaviour. I’m not against people having fun, but we don’t treat any other perception altering substance in such a blasé way.
All the reasoning for not having a zero or near zero limit is flimsy at best.
Then provide the reasoning for having a zero limit. All the reasoning for not having a zero or near zero limit is flimsy at best.
The pursuit of a zero limit will make very little if any difference to road deaths. It is the same as the arguments around CV19 deaths did they die having tested positive for CV19 or because of CV19? Did the crash happen because they had had a pint or would the crash have happened anyway, but they had had a pint?
ZedLeg said:
A lot of people would argue about whether drinking is harmless behaviour. I’m not against people having fun, but we don’t treat any other perception altering substance in such a blasé way.
All the reasoning for not having a zero or near zero limit is flimsy at best.
Decimation of rural hospitality? What is the acceptable number of livelihoods to ruin? All the reasoning for not having a zero or near zero limit is flimsy at best.
Conversely, we could subsidise those
businesses to move into other sectors - that would require funding, and money taken away from something else.
Starting from a blank sheet is easy. But we aren't starting there.
The absolute zero argument is dogmatic, with even even flimsier reasoning given that all the evidence suggests it would have nill benefit (those that choose to drink and drive would continue to do so anyway).
Having any sort of minimum limit gives people who’ll drink and drive some leeway in their mind.
“I’m a big guy, I can have more than one”
“I had a couple of glasses but it was a big meal, I’ll be fine”
Some people will drink and drive regardless of the rules but it’s not like we have a an acceptable minimum amount for other crimes.
“I’m a big guy, I can have more than one”
“I had a couple of glasses but it was a big meal, I’ll be fine”
Some people will drink and drive regardless of the rules but it’s not like we have a an acceptable minimum amount for other crimes.
ZedLeg said:
Having any sort of minimum limit gives people who’ll drink and drive some leeway in their mind.
“I’m a big guy, I can have more than one”
“I had a couple of glasses but it was a big meal, I’ll be fine”
Some people will drink and drive regardless of the rules but it’s not like we have a an acceptable minimum amount for other crimes.
Is that your reasoning for a zero limit? “I’m a big guy, I can have more than one”
“I had a couple of glasses but it was a big meal, I’ll be fine”
Some people will drink and drive regardless of the rules but it’s not like we have a an acceptable minimum amount for other crimes.
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