NHS waiting 4 years at 64 for hip op

[saaby93]

At 64 years old is it reasonable to wait until you're 68 for a hip replacement?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58655088
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Second op - what proportion of people need hips over 60?

[poo at Paul's]

saaby93 said:

At 64 years old is it reasonable to wait until you're 68 for a hip replacement?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58655088
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Second op - what proportion of people need hips over 60?

The price of free prescriptions and a population that doesn't look after itself too well?

[Four Litre]

That's the ones who actually get the op. My mum was told she didn't need anything done following agonizing hip pain and a subsequent scan. When we eventually prized the report from the NHS GP surgeries grubby paws it said that the cartilage had gone and she should have a replacement urgently.

All up for saving a few ££, doesn't matter if they live in agony it seems.

[menousername]

Easy to be dismissive but that kind of surgery can be needed after a lifetime of grafting to pay the bills and your taxes

Most trades persons usually burn out with injuries. At a time when we need more kids entering apprenticeships and such, it would be a good time to get our act together on these things

[Munter]

Four Litre said:

That's the ones who actually get the op. My mum was told she didn't need anything done following agonizing hip pain and a subsequent scan. When we eventually prized the report from the NHS GP surgeries grubby paws it said that the cartilage had gone and she should have a replacement urgently.

All up for saving a few ££, doesn't matter if they live in agony it seems.

If the NHS managers start allocating money to do operations that are needed. What are the managers going to use to pay the managers?

[saaby93]

Munter said:

If the NHS managers start allocating money to do operations that are needed. What are the managers going to use to pay the managers?

Most enterprises would run well if they didnt need to deal with customers

[WyrleyD]

Go private and it will cost about £12k per side. Mate has just had his done after being given impossible timescales, he took equity release to pay for it.

[Earthdweller]

poo at Paul's said:

saaby93 said:

At 64 years old is it reasonable to wait until you're 68 for a hip replacement?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58655088
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Second op - what proportion of people need hips over 60?

The price of free prescriptions and a population that doesn't look after itself too well?

You say that

A friend of mine, early 50’s super fit, Police counter terrorism Firearms officer and trainer .. multi marathon runner is now waiting for two hips doing

[Red9zero]

anonymous said:

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Nuffield handed over 75% of their capacity to the NHS. Fair enough, but I had an op postponed while our local Nuffield hospital sat almost empty, waiting for a Covid influx. The local Nightingale hospital was also sat empty.

[Dixy]

First thing to sort out is the LTA on consultants pensions, they dont seem to want to pay the state for the privilege of working.
Then blame Hunt for pissing off all the junior doctors who now do Hip ops in Aus and NZ.

[HappyClappy]

My mum tells me it’s the same with Cataracts. You won’t get NHS surgery until you are virtually blind in both eyes and by then it’s often too late to work effectively.

Everyone ends up paying.

[Red9zero]

HappyClappy said:

My mum tells me it’s the same with Cataracts. You won’t get NHS surgery until you are virtually blind in both eyes and by then it’s often too late to work effectively.

Everyone ends up paying.

I had mine done privately luckily, as although my doctor was happy to put me on the waiting list, it would have been many years before they would be done.

[Red9zero]

anonymous said:

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I'm a lightweight too, and wanted a general anesthetic, which NHS wouldn't have done without a very good reason.

[poo at Paul's]

Earthdweller said:

poo at Paul's said:

saaby93 said:

At 64 years old is it reasonable to wait until you're 68 for a hip replacement?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58655088
Scroll down near end
Second op - what proportion of people need hips over 60?

The price of free prescriptions and a population that doesn't look after itself too well?

You say that

A friend of mine, early 50’s super fit, Police counter terrorism Firearms officer and trainer .. multi marathon runner is now waiting for two hips doing

I don’t mean that is the reason for needing a hip, is it the reason for having to wait 4 years! Ie cash spent on other health things.

[Esceptico]

Everyone agreeing it is a problem but then what is the solution? Presumably it all comes down to allocation of available resources. If resources are limited then you could do more hip operations but then someone else’s operation would get cancelled or deferred. Should we stop doing cancer ops for people (who may only get a few extra months at most) so that someone doesn’t have to wait 4 years for replacement hips?

You could use existing resources more effectively but I’m pretty sure the Tories were promising that when Thatcher came to power in 1979 so either they succeeded and we do use resources efficiently or governments are so useless it’s a hopeless task.

We could pump in more resources but that means taking it from somewhere else eg police, education, military or raising taxes.

The current system is perhaps broken. Maybe the free at point of use should be given up. Make people who can pay, pay a contribution towards their treatment.

Edited by Esceptico on Friday 24th September 03:24

[aaron-j9c9a]

HappyClappy said:

My mum tells me it’s the same with Cataracts. You won’t get NHS surgery until you are virtually blind in both eyes and by then it’s often too late to work effectively.

Everyone ends up paying.

This is true although it has much more to do with risk rather than anything else.

2 weeks ago I had Macula off retinal detachment surgery, with my own research and listening to consultants I knew how risky going into the eye can be.

I only had to wait 4 days from them telling me I need to get it done because of the severity and my health complications.

I’ve work as an outpatient co ordinator for the NHS and unfortunately I have seen first hand how everything comes down to money, every appointment you have will have a financial number created and without it you will NOT be seen.
The cost to create and run appointments and theatre sessions is also extremely expensive which back log will take ages to clear because every trust has a budget.

[saaby93]

Obviously the resources are there, otherwise you wouldnt be able to pay to find a slot earlier in the queue

[DaveGrohl]

saaby93 said:

Obviously the resources are there, otherwise you wouldnt be able to pay to find a slot earlier in the queue

Exactly this. The sytem is broken.

I was lucky enough to be in a position to have my hip replaced privately last year. I say say lucky, I'd paid for private health insurnce for the previous 30 years and decided to put my first claim in. I wasn't in excruciating constant agony like the people waiting four years, I feel bad about that, but I was in a lot of pain at times and taking loads of drug

I don't know what the answer is as long as govts are involved and their obsession with beaurocracy at all costs. We need a system that allocates money properly and gets to where it needs to be used properly. We're a million miles from there. 4 years for a hip op? Christ alive, poor sods.

[Red9zero]

saaby93 said:

Obviously the resources are there, otherwise you wouldnt be able to pay to find a slot earlier in the queue

The hospitals are sometimes the same, as are the surgeons, anesthetists etc, just the pay is better. I see the invoices for my treatment and some of the costs are eye watering, literally, as my last op was cataracts.

[saaby93]

DaveGrohl said:

saaby93 said:

Obviously the resources are there, otherwise you wouldnt be able to pay to find a slot earlier in the queue

Exactly this. The sytem is broken.

I was lucky enough to be in a position to have my hip replaced privately last year. I say say lucky, I'd paid for private health insurnce for the previous 30 years and decided to put my first claim in. I wasn't in excruciating constant agony like the people waiting four years, I feel bad about that, but I was in a lot of pain at times and taking loads of drug

I don't know what the answer is as long as govts are involved and their obsession with beaurocracy at all costs. We need a system that allocates money properly and gets to where it needs to be used properly. We're a million miles from there. 4 years for a hip op? Christ alive, poor sods.

There's also the issue that those paying to jump to the front of the queue slow down the service for those who dont pay.
If you get enough people paying, those at the back of the queue never move forward.
Same thing can happen at merge in turn at roadworks
Somehow people who pay, should pay to keep their known slot in the queue.
Or not have people paying, nationalise the whole system and remove the management oligarchy at the same time