Purchased car value vs Income? Don't be silly!
Purchased car value vs Income? Don't be silly!
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A_K

Original Poster:

128 posts

159 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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I know the Car Value vs Annual Income has been discussed several times over ... but this is different

IF you lease your car, then maybe comparing annual lease payments (and other running costs) vs annual income makes some sense. (Personally I wouldn't lease a car. Only use debt on appreciating assets - read any basic finance book to understand why)

On the other hand, I think it could be more interesting to look at what PH's are spending in terms of CASH purchase value vs Total Net Equity.

I'm assuming we all love cars on here. Looking at it vs net equity would be a great indicator of how much we love them versus everything else would it not?

southerndriver

281 posts

102 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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What do you mean by Net Equity here - does it include property for instance ? These days pension pots can be used more flexibly than a decade ago so they might count towards equity.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

31,975 posts

263 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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In 1996 my car was more expensive than my house. Does that count? hehe

anonymous-user

82 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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A_K said:
I know the Car Value vs Annual Income has been discussed several times over ... but this is different

IF you lease your car, then maybe comparing annual lease payments (and other running costs) vs annual income makes some sense. (Personally I wouldn't lease a car. Only use debt on appreciating assets - read any basic finance book to understand why)

On the other hand, I think it could be more interesting to look at what PH's are spending in terms of CASH purchase value vs Total Net Equity.

I'm assuming we all love cars on here. Looking at it vs net equity would be a great indicator of how much we love them versus everything else would it not?
What you talking about Willis?

ChrisH72

3,064 posts

80 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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I always thought the saying was...

If it appreciates buy it.

If it depreciates rent it.

I've never leased but guess it appeals to those with a healthy income but not so much capital?

My income is relatively low (under 30k) but thankfully I have no debt so very low monthly outgoings. If I were to lease I'd be uncomfortable with much more than 200 a month.

2 GKC

2,303 posts

133 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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Yawn

V8 Stang

4,504 posts

211 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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My Mustang cost £47K (£600/Month PCP), Salary is £40K, and my house cost £174K.


And yes over a quarter of a month's salary pays for my car! But my mortgage is only £520/Month.

Do i care when i start the mustang in the morning? NO i don't driving

A_K

Original Poster:

128 posts

159 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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V8 Stang said:
My Mustang cost £47K (£600/Month PCP), Salary is £40K, and my house cost £174K.


And yes over a quarter of a month's salary pays for my car! But my mortgage is only £520/Month.

Do i care when i start the mustang in the morning? NO i don't driving
This is the type of person I’d like to buy a beer.

For those who are yawning, just accept that this kind of question is often asked. Yawning on other’s posts is a bit like complaining about split infinitives (pointless in my view) - accept what others think is acceptable and if you’re not interested step away.

For me, this is simply about trying to validate a purchase which one (or rather one’s other half) might think is a bit extravagant given total wealth! And yes I’m sure there are readers with such huge balls that they don’t give a damn what anyone else thinks or does. I’m not one of them. I care about the norm as I believe in the theories of equilibrium and like living as a part of society. Knowing where I am versus consensus is part of my comfort zone 🥰 If you don’t give a damn about society, don’t concern yourself with letting society know that 😉

A_K

Original Poster:

128 posts

159 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
In 1996 my car was more expensive than my house. Does that count? hehe
Which car?!

A_K

Original Poster:

128 posts

159 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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southerndriver said:
What do you mean by Net Equity here - does it include property for instance ? These days pension pots can be used more flexibly than a decade ago so they might count towards equity.
Good point. I think it should include all assets and liabilities that are liquidatable (is that even a word?) within 3 years (random yet reasonable period of car ownership).

A_K

Original Poster:

128 posts

159 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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wormus said:
A_K said:
I know the Car Value vs Annual Income has been discussed several times over ... but this is different

IF you lease your car, then maybe comparing annual lease payments (and other running costs) vs annual income makes some sense. (Personally I wouldn't lease a car. Only use debt on appreciating assets - read any basic finance book to understand why)

On the other hand, I think it could be more interesting to look at what PH's are spending in terms of CASH purchase value vs Total Net Equity.

I'm assuming we all love cars on here. Looking at it vs net equity would be a great indicator of how much we love them versus everything else would it not?
What you talking about Willis?
I guess it’s different strokes for different folks Arnold!



2 sMoKiN bArReLs

31,975 posts

263 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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A_K said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
In 1996 my car was more expensive than my house. Does that count? hehe
Which car?!
You should ask which house hehe Car was a £35k Chimaera, house was a £30k dump.

A_K

Original Poster:

128 posts

159 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
A_K said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
In 1996 my car was more expensive than my house. Does that count? hehe
Which car?!
You should ask which house hehe Car was a £35k Chimaera, house was a £30k dump.
We need a photo of the car parked outside! Ps a house is only really a dump if its inhabitants are unhappy in it. I’m guessing you were pretty cheerful driving that TVR in ‘96!

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

31,975 posts

263 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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A_K said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
A_K said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
In 1996 my car was more expensive than my house. Does that count? hehe
Which car?!
You should ask which house hehe Car was a £35k Chimaera, house was a £30k dump.
We need a photo of the car parked outside! Ps a house is only really a dump if its inhabitants are unhappy in it. I’m guessing you were pretty cheerful driving that TVR in ‘96!
I lived there 11 years...so actually liked it. It was in a tougher area of Nottingham.

RDMcG

20,809 posts

235 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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Cars in total are worth about 7% of my investments. I do not count real estate in the number.

fflump

3,443 posts

66 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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If it floats, flies or f***s then rent. Otherwise buy. As a depreciating asset I have about 2.5% in vehicular equity!

jonny996

2,712 posts

245 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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Cars = 1.5% of equity & that's for all 3 cars.

Jaguar steve

9,232 posts

238 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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About 1% of total assets represented by three older cars here. Running costs for all three is ball park 10% of annual net income.

Works for me smile

A_K

Original Poster:

128 posts

159 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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Current cars = 2% of total net equity but around 10% if I exclude property and current pension values

Mr Tidy

31,013 posts

155 months

Saturday 25th September 2021
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Not sure if I am doing something right or something wrong! laugh

Car values represent about 7% or property value (no mortgage anymore though) or 150% of annual pension income.

But it works for me.