Portugal... they managed it...
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https://www.euronews.com/2021/09/23/portugal-has-t...
interesting to see a european country turn it around...what did they do differently to us ?
interesting to see a european country turn it around...what did they do differently to us ?
ruggedscotty said:
https://www.euronews.com/2021/09/23/portugal-has-t...
interesting to see a european country turn it around...what did they do differently to us ?
Took the vaccine.interesting to see a european country turn it around...what did they do differently to us ?
You're as good as your worst people.
I think they've been quicker to inoculate those under 18? The stat is "%age of population".
AIUI we're at 82% of over 16yr olds, rather than the sub-70% shown in the chart posted which will be of the full population (45m of 67m ~ 67%).
But fair play to them. A good effort.
(We seem to have hit the point of the anti-vaxxers with our 82%).
AIUI we're at 82% of over 16yr olds, rather than the sub-70% shown in the chart posted which will be of the full population (45m of 67m ~ 67%).
But fair play to them. A good effort.
(We seem to have hit the point of the anti-vaxxers with our 82%).
Pretty much irrelevant other than politicians being able to willy wave about how high their % vaccinated is.
What actually did matter is getting large numbers of over 60s vaccinated asap - it's well into the 80+% and mainly 90+% for the 65+ here. Jabbing up the remainder isn't going to very substantially change the course of the remainder of the outbreak.
What actually did matter is getting large numbers of over 60s vaccinated asap - it's well into the 80+% and mainly 90+% for the 65+ here. Jabbing up the remainder isn't going to very substantially change the course of the remainder of the outbreak.
anonymous said:
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No "opinion" about it, he is spot on.The vaccines for Covid-19 perform the same role as the Flu vaccine, they prevent serious illness in the vulnerable. It has long since been shown that they have little long term impact on the spread of the virus. Anyone expecting the virus to disappear after a sufficient percentage of the population has been vaccinated hasn't been paying attention.
ruggedscotty said:
https://www.euronews.com/2021/09/23/portugal-has-t...
interesting to see a european country turn it around...what did they do differently to us ?
I thought Portugal already had a high percentage of powerfully built PH forum members that were totally immune to the virus and did not need the vaccine.interesting to see a european country turn it around...what did they do differently to us ?
Or...
MAYBE NOT.
anonymous said:
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Ok - for those here who don't have self proclaimed 'Doctor' in their PH usernames, please do enlighten the ignorant here then. How exactly is jabbing large numbers of 12-30 or even 12-40 year olds going to have prevented how the various variants arose? Do you have any incontrovertible facts that people in those groups have been heavily impacted by infection for example....?Infection (and by default vaccination) does not provide long term immunity from reinfection. Essentially everyone at some point in time is going to get infected and then reinfected, just like in the 4 other human coronaviruses that we get (you know those that you seemed to suggest did not exist with mers and sars-cov2 the only human coronaviruses around in another post....). 12-30 is an age group that has very minimally been afftected covid infection - exactly what is crowing about high vaccine percentages in younger groups going to have changed?
Carl_Manchester said:
ruggedscotty said:
https://www.euronews.com/2021/09/23/portugal-has-t...
interesting to see a european country turn it around...what did they do differently to us ?
I thought Portugal already had a high percentage of powerfully built PH forum members that were totally immune to the virus and did not need the vaccine.interesting to see a european country turn it around...what did they do differently to us ?
Or...
MAYBE NOT.
JagLover said:
Anyone expecting the virus to disappear after a sufficient percentage of the population has been vaccinated hasn't been paying attention.
Yep, I think the UK is already in it's long term end game so to speak. So what we see now is what we have going forward for years to come.
Therefore the UK, along with all other nations in the world, when they've gone through their vaccination program, will see a continuance of high infections every day, week, year, as people go about their daily business continually catching and spreading the virus around their community. Then those that travel wider will spread between communities, ensuring every community continues to have high rates of infection.
The saving grace is that those vaccinated, or those infected and recovered, will have immunity for about 6 months, before they'll need to either catch the virus again or be re-vaccinated to edge their bets against a severe infection.
So herd immunity is something that I'm not sure will have any different effect to what we see now.
And, would it be fair to say that the world is therefore in a 'waiting game', of maybe be 5,10,20 years?, until covid-19 runs out of options on mutation, or mutates to lesser severity whereby those that catch it no longer need constant 6-monthly vaccinations, or those with medical factors still need 6-monthly vaccinations similar to the seasonal flu, before we approach pre-covid normality again? Either way, the virus is here to stay, herd immunity or not.
GroundZero said:
JagLover said:
Anyone expecting the virus to disappear after a sufficient percentage of the population has been vaccinated hasn't been paying attention.
Yep, I think the UK is already in it's long term end game so to speak. So what we see now is what we have going forward for years to come.
Therefore the UK, along with all other nations in the world, when they've gone through their vaccination program, will see a continuance of high infections every day, week, year, as people go about their daily business continually catching and spreading the virus around their community. Then those that travel wider will spread between communities, ensuring every community continues to have high rates of infection.
The saving grace is that those vaccinated, or those infected and recovered, will have immunity for about 6 months, before they'll need to either catch the virus again or be re-vaccinated to edge their bets against a severe infection.
So herd immunity is something that I'm not sure will have any different effect to what we see now.
And, would it be fair to say that the world is therefore in a 'waiting game', of maybe be 5,10,20 years?, until covid-19 runs out of options on mutation, or mutates to lesser severity whereby those that catch it no longer need constant 6-monthly vaccinations, or those with medical factors still need 6-monthly vaccinations similar to the seasonal flu, before we approach pre-covid normality again? Either way, the virus is here to stay, herd immunity or not.
It is possible that it mutates in a way that makes it worse; I hope that doesn't happen.
I know a few chaps in their late 20s who are forgoing the vaccine because they saw something on Facebook saying it affects fertility/virility. 
These guys have masters degrees in engineering disciplines, yet are seemingly unable to weigh up what is a reliable source of information. When I queried it one of them said "there was a screenshot of a government webpage, and they've since updated the government website to take it down". Ok, or someone knocked up a facsimile of a government webpage to try and add validity to their claims.
If smart people like that can be swayed by fake news, what hope is there for people who may not have the same mental faculties? We've probably hit the max vax figure now.
These guys have masters degrees in engineering disciplines, yet are seemingly unable to weigh up what is a reliable source of information. When I queried it one of them said "there was a screenshot of a government webpage, and they've since updated the government website to take it down". Ok, or someone knocked up a facsimile of a government webpage to try and add validity to their claims.
If smart people like that can be swayed by fake news, what hope is there for people who may not have the same mental faculties? We've probably hit the max vax figure now.
donkmeister said:
I know a few chaps in their late 20s who are forgoing the vaccine because they saw something on Facebook saying it affects fertility/virility.
These guys have masters degrees in engineering disciplines, yet are seemingly unable to weigh up what is a reliable source of information. When I queried it one of them said "there was a screenshot of a government webpage, and they've since updated the government website to take it down". Ok, or someone knocked up a facsimile of a government webpage to try and add validity to their claims.
If smart people like that can be swayed by fake news, what hope is there for people who may not have the same mental faculties? We've probably hit the max vax figure now.
Please can you post up the long term evidence that it doesn't affect fertility?These guys have masters degrees in engineering disciplines, yet are seemingly unable to weigh up what is a reliable source of information. When I queried it one of them said "there was a screenshot of a government webpage, and they've since updated the government website to take it down". Ok, or someone knocked up a facsimile of a government webpage to try and add validity to their claims.
If smart people like that can be swayed by fake news, what hope is there for people who may not have the same mental faculties? We've probably hit the max vax figure now.
river_rat said:
donkmeister said:
I know a few chaps in their late 20s who are forgoing the vaccine because they saw something on Facebook saying it affects fertility/virility.
These guys have masters degrees in engineering disciplines, yet are seemingly unable to weigh up what is a reliable source of information. When I queried it one of them said "there was a screenshot of a government webpage, and they've since updated the government website to take it down". Ok, or someone knocked up a facsimile of a government webpage to try and add validity to their claims.
If smart people like that can be swayed by fake news, what hope is there for people who may not have the same mental faculties? We've probably hit the max vax figure now.
Please can you post up the long term evidence that it doesn't affect fertility?These guys have masters degrees in engineering disciplines, yet are seemingly unable to weigh up what is a reliable source of information. When I queried it one of them said "there was a screenshot of a government webpage, and they've since updated the government website to take it down". Ok, or someone knocked up a facsimile of a government webpage to try and add validity to their claims.
If smart people like that can be swayed by fake news, what hope is there for people who may not have the same mental faculties? We've probably hit the max vax figure now.
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