Lucy Letby pleads not guilty
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I know there was at least one other thread on this but can't find it so mods might want to merge it or something.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-5...
She entered not guilty pleas to all 18 charges.
I'm fascinated by this case as it's just so, so strange; been arrested three times now over the course of years. She's been remanded since November 2020, trial was initially slated for February, then put back to July and now October 2022! That will be well over 4 years since her first arrest. Totally bizarre!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-5...
She entered not guilty pleas to all 18 charges.
I'm fascinated by this case as it's just so, so strange; been arrested three times now over the course of years. She's been remanded since November 2020, trial was initially slated for February, then put back to July and now October 2022! That will be well over 4 years since her first arrest. Totally bizarre!
MrBogSmith said:
It is an unusual one and it'll be one to watch as details emerge from the case. I wonder if they'll one day be some sort of Netflix series on her too.
Gives an insight into crown court (and courts in general) delays given the storm of savage cuts and Covid.
I think it's more the vast amounts of evidence that is going to be presented. The estimate is for a trial of six months!Gives an insight into crown court (and courts in general) delays given the storm of savage cuts and Covid.
Your other thread on it is in SPL. It'll hopefully get more interaction in here though. Its fortunately a strange case, I'm keen to see how it's presented.
It's also interesting to see the public opinion on the case on other platforms such as Reddit when compared to other serious cases. No idea what's right or why personally but it does appear there are far more people supporting her than other cases with multiple murder charges.
As with other cases, there's always people forming an opinion before the evidence is available but it's clear that this one seems to have much more support that she couldn't have done it than I'd expect to see normally. It's an abhorrent crime to think of so perhaps that's the reason.
It's also interesting to see the public opinion on the case on other platforms such as Reddit when compared to other serious cases. No idea what's right or why personally but it does appear there are far more people supporting her than other cases with multiple murder charges.
As with other cases, there's always people forming an opinion before the evidence is available but it's clear that this one seems to have much more support that she couldn't have done it than I'd expect to see normally. It's an abhorrent crime to think of so perhaps that's the reason.
Just tried to find news articles to update myself on the case. I remember there being a large number of attempt murder charges, after checking it's 10 and 8 charges of murder.
During my google, this came up on the first page...
https://lucyletby.com/
During my google, this came up on the first page...
https://lucyletby.com/
Looking at the posts and links on that website, I suspect that it is administered by a fruitloop, regardless of their good intentions.
An odd case in the time she has been detained for and the lack of available information, literally no details have emerged over what was alleged to have taken place, don't know how that compares to e.g. Shipman coverage. The whole thing doesn't ring true, but the alternative is gross investigative incompetence or massive coverup of medical incompetence... :-/
An odd case in the time she has been detained for and the lack of available information, literally no details have emerged over what was alleged to have taken place, don't know how that compares to e.g. Shipman coverage. The whole thing doesn't ring true, but the alternative is gross investigative incompetence or massive coverup of medical incompetence... :-/
ScotHill said:
Looking at the posts and links on that website, I suspect that it is administered by a fruitloop, regardless of their good intentions.
An odd case in the time she has been detained for and the lack of available information, literally no details have emerged over what was alleged to have taken place, don't know how that compares to e.g. Shipman coverage. The whole thing doesn't ring true, but the alternative is gross investigative incompetence or massive coverup of medical incompetence... :-/
...and, curiously, an American judging by spelling and use of terms such as 'attorney' and 'criticized'An odd case in the time she has been detained for and the lack of available information, literally no details have emerged over what was alleged to have taken place, don't know how that compares to e.g. Shipman coverage. The whole thing doesn't ring true, but the alternative is gross investigative incompetence or massive coverup of medical incompetence... :-/
I don't know why anyone would nail their colours to the mast at this stage, there's not enough detail to form an opinion. So far it seems to boil down to "she's white and pretty, she couldn't possibly have done it"
If she had a face like a box of smashed crabs or had a different skin colour I doubt she'd be seeing so much support.
If she had a face like a box of smashed crabs or had a different skin colour I doubt she'd be seeing so much support.
sebdangerfield said:
Just tried to find news articles to update myself on the case. I remember there being a large number of attempt murder charges, after checking it's 10 and 8 charges of murder.
During my google, this came up on the first page...
https://lucyletby.com/
That's nothing to do with her or her defence team....it's run by some strange American who seems to have set it up for the clicks or something.During my google, this came up on the first page...
https://lucyletby.com/
AJL308 said:
sebdangerfield said:
That's nothing to do with her or her defence team....it's run by some strange American who seems to have set it up for the clicks or something.
I’ve got no idea of the evidence in this case, but always have a slight worry in cases with numbers like this as to whether someone has made an appalling mistake with the statistics and built the whole case from that.
The shaken baby case was entirely down to bad maths, and we saw some badly wrong stats used in the OJ Simpson case.
In this case, do we know if it’s built on more than just the excess deaths correlated with her shifts?
The shaken baby case was entirely down to bad maths, and we saw some badly wrong stats used in the OJ Simpson case.
In this case, do we know if it’s built on more than just the excess deaths correlated with her shifts?
Northernboy said:
I’ve got no idea of the evidence in this case, but always have a slight worry in cases with numbers like this as to whether someone has made an appalling mistake with the statistics and built the whole case from that.
The shaken baby case was entirely down to bad maths, and we saw some badly wrong stats used in the OJ Simpson case.
In this case, do we know if it’s built on more than just the excess deaths correlated with her shifts?
Yep, that’s always the concern. The fact she’d been arrested for it twice before too doesn’t help those feelings. It makes it feel flakey, even though I know the charges have been authorised after serious scrutiny because they pass the threshold tests. The shaken baby case was entirely down to bad maths, and we saw some badly wrong stats used in the OJ Simpson case.
In this case, do we know if it’s built on more than just the excess deaths correlated with her shifts?
I also can’t help but feel the 10 charges of attempt murder will be significant. As has been discussed on here lots recently, it’s very hard to prove attempt murder so someone somewhere has seen enough to be convinced enough to test it at court.
sebdangerfield said:
Northernboy said:
I’ve got no idea of the evidence in this case, but always have a slight worry in cases with numbers like this as to whether someone has made an appalling mistake with the statistics and built the whole case from that.
The shaken baby case was entirely down to bad maths, and we saw some badly wrong stats used in the OJ Simpson case.
In this case, do we know if it’s built on more than just the excess deaths correlated with her shifts?
Yep, that’s always the concern. The fact she’d been arrested for it twice before too doesn’t help those feelings. It makes it feel flakey, even though I know the charges have been authorised after serious scrutiny because they pass the threshold tests. The shaken baby case was entirely down to bad maths, and we saw some badly wrong stats used in the OJ Simpson case.
In this case, do we know if it’s built on more than just the excess deaths correlated with her shifts?
I also can’t help but feel the 10 charges of attempt murder will be significant. As has been discussed on here lots recently, it’s very hard to prove attempt murder so someone somewhere has seen enough to be convinced enough to test it at court.
Jim the Sunderer said:
Judging from the poor neonatal care we received from the NHS, I wouldn't be surprised if she's the patsy for a failing department.
The statistic that comes to mind is the “excess deaths” measure, that simply takes the low-side statistical outlier and says anything above that is “excess”.Statistics is a big part of my job; picking out the ones that matter, and understanding what they really mean. I’d love to be able to help out where they matter like this.
I know South Wales isn't that close to Chester, but elsewhere in the NHS...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10061811/...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10061811/...
Northernboy said:
I’ve got no idea of the evidence in this case, but always have a slight worry in cases with numbers like this as to whether someone has made an appalling mistake with the statistics and built the whole case from that.
The shaken baby case was entirely down to bad maths, and we saw some badly wrong stats used in the OJ Simpson case.
In this case, do we know if it’s built on more than just the excess deaths correlated with her shifts?
See also the post offices case. The shaken baby case was entirely down to bad maths, and we saw some badly wrong stats used in the OJ Simpson case.
In this case, do we know if it’s built on more than just the excess deaths correlated with her shifts?
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