USA Murder Rate Up. George Floyd Effect?
Discussion
"The US has experienced its largest-ever recorded annual increase in murders, according to new statistics from the FBI, with the national murder rate rising nearly 30% in 2020 – the biggest jump in six decades."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/27/us...
One theory being that following criticism of racism police may have reduced proctive policing such as street stops/searches.
https://dc.law.utah.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?articl...
Sounds plausible to me. Police are not paid by results. If everyone from your bosses, to the media, and pressure groups are telling you you are racist then reducing stop searches (which with the best will in the world can generate complaints) may be a natural outcome.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/27/us...
One theory being that following criticism of racism police may have reduced proctive policing such as street stops/searches.
https://dc.law.utah.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?articl...
Sounds plausible to me. Police are not paid by results. If everyone from your bosses, to the media, and pressure groups are telling you you are racist then reducing stop searches (which with the best will in the world can generate complaints) may be a natural outcome.
Pretty much. Knee jerk PC reforms have hamstrung law enforcement, and the judiciary has gone soft on punishment. Mix in COVID related financial hardships as a catalyst, and the ensuing explosion of an emboldened criminal/gang underclass running amuck in the cities is what we have now.
It’s been alarming how quickly the s
t has hit the fan and it doesn’t seem to be slowing down. Biden’s lot REALLY need to get a handle on it as literally any cocker that comes along with a law-and-order manifesto will clear up.
It’s been alarming how quickly the s
t has hit the fan and it doesn’t seem to be slowing down. Biden’s lot REALLY need to get a handle on it as literally any cocker that comes along with a law-and-order manifesto will clear up.Moved to the US ten years ago, New York. Watched this play out with dispair over the last few years. Media and elements of the political class tarred them all (police) with the same brush, now they don’t bother.
Police back off, murder rate goes up. Result is EVEN MORE dead at the barrel of a gun. Many of whom young and black.
Worst part, nobody cares. Suburbs are still safe. Inner cities are war zones.
Police back off, murder rate goes up. Result is EVEN MORE dead at the barrel of a gun. Many of whom young and black.
Worst part, nobody cares. Suburbs are still safe. Inner cities are war zones.
irc said:
One theory being that following criticism of racism police may have reduced proctive policing such as street stops/searches.
Police don't prevent homicides, they take reports and investigate after the fact. It's up to the individual to protect themselves, their family and property. I expect that this has more to do with Covid 19 and the related lock down that so drastically changed peoples lives and created the additional stress for so many people.34th Street said:
Moved to the US ten years ago, New York. Watched this play out with dispair over the last few years. Media and elements of the political class tarred them all (police) with the same brush, now they don’t bother.
Police back off, murder rate goes up. Result is EVEN MORE dead at the barrel of a gun. Many of whom young and black.
Worst part, nobody cares. Suburbs are still safe. Inner cities are war zones.
And the Mayor disbanded the anti crime unit which was highly successful at taking guns off the street and targeting gang violence removing 600 plain clothes detectives from pro-active work Police back off, murder rate goes up. Result is EVEN MORE dead at the barrel of a gun. Many of whom young and black.
Worst part, nobody cares. Suburbs are still safe. Inner cities are war zones.
The Commissioner said this last year when they disbanded them
“This is a seismic shift in the culture of how the N.Y.P.D. polices this great city, It will be felt immediately in the communities that we protect.”
He wasn’t wrong
alabbasi said:
Police don't prevent homicides, they take reports and investigate after the fact. It's up to the individual to protect themselves, their family and property. I expect that this has more to do with Covid 19 and the related lock down that so drastically changed peoples lives and created the additional stress for so many people.
I'd be inclined to agree with this.MrMan001 said:
Definitely a jump, but it might be difficult to link it to any specific single factor seeing as 2020 was such an extraordinary year.
The problem is with graphs is that the murder total will still be approx 21,500 per year.The total deaths for U.S military in Afganistan was approx 20,000.
Its an awfully large loss of life.
Gary29 said:
alabbasi said:
Police don't prevent homicides, they take reports and investigate after the fact. It's up to the individual to protect themselves, their family and property. I expect that this has more to do with Covid 19 and the related lock down that so drastically changed peoples lives and created the additional stress for so many people.
I'd be inclined to agree with this.Whilst it’s pretty impossible to prevent domestic/crimes of passion type murders you can have a marked and significant effect on violent crime and gangs
So, I’d be inclined to disagree
Earthdweller said:
Gary29 said:
alabbasi said:
Police don't prevent homicides, they take reports and investigate after the fact. It's up to the individual to protect themselves, their family and property. I expect that this has more to do with Covid 19 and the related lock down that so drastically changed peoples lives and created the additional stress for so many people.
I'd be inclined to agree with this.Whilst it’s pretty impossible to prevent domestic/crimes of passion type murders you can have a marked and significant effect on violent crime and gangs
So, I’d be inclined to disagree
As Earthdweller says, it is virtually impossible to stop 'spur of the moment' crimes such as a someone being killed as the result of a couple having a fight at home, but the Police target a lot of their resources at stopping people before they commit a serious crime, or breaking up gangs or criminal enterprise before they commit more crimes.
Just one example would be the number of terrorists who have been arrested well before they managed to carry out a plot to kill, purely based on the police gathering evidence.
Gary29 said:
alabbasi said:
Police don't prevent homicides, they take reports and investigate after the fact. It's up to the individual to protect themselves, their family and property. I expect that this has more to do with Covid 19 and the related lock down that so drastically changed peoples lives and created the additional stress for so many people.
I'd be inclined to agree with this.https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/29/us/gun-purchase...
Shocking that the defund the police movement combined with honoring a criminal as some kind of saint and mayors in cities publicly undermining officers would result in emboldened criminals and higher crime. The lefties/progressives have made the very communities they claim to want justice for actually more dangerous.
alabbasi said:
Police don't prevent homicides, they take reports and investigate after the fact. It's up to the individual to protect themselves, their family and property.
Objectively wrong (in the UK at least).I’m a Crime Analyst (specialising in Domestic Abuse, Sexual Violence, and Violence Against Woman & Girls - looks like I was ten years ahead of the curve on that one . . .).
Our work is, at its core, homicide prevention. Go to a patrol briefing and three quarters of the slides are about vulnerable people, and the rest about those who present the highest risk.
Earthdweller said:
In some cases they do, and it is well proven on both sides of the Atlantic
So, I’d be inclined to disagree
Agree or disagree, the matter was settled in court 32 years ago. Police don't have a duty to protect anyone, even if they see a violent crime happening in front of them. So, I’d be inclined to disagree
MrBogSmith said:
People will assign whatever cause suits them according to their politics / agenda.
The reality, I expect, will be grounded in the fundamentals of what is usually the causes of crime. Poverty, unemployment and various others.
That as opposed to “Oh this Democrat mayor stopped police searching” bla bla.
Except that the linked study provides numerous examples of a step change upwards after the George Floyd killing. The usual fundamentals didn't change on that date The reality, I expect, will be grounded in the fundamentals of what is usually the causes of crime. Poverty, unemployment and various others.
That as opposed to “Oh this Democrat mayor stopped police searching” bla bla.
I lived on 39th and 5th for years. Fun times!blackrabbit said:
Shocking that the defund the police movement combined with honoring a criminal as some kind of saint and mayors in cities publicly undermining officers would result in emboldened criminals and higher crime. The lefties/progressives have made the very communities they claim to want justice for actually more dangerous.
More shocking is how much intense research you've done into crime causation in the US for the year 2020 in such a short space of time, given the stats are fairly recent. I hope you get snapped up quickly as an expert criminologist.Or else it could be that you know no more than the rest of us, in which case if you'd prefaced your reply with 'IMO', or similar, your reply would have carried more sincerity and believability about it.
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