Polexit - Poland to leave EU?
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On BBC news today
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58840076
Typically sinister quote from von der Leyen.
"Our utmost priority is to ensure the rights of Polish citizens are protected and that Polish citizens enjoy the benefits granted by membership of the European Union"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58840076
Typically sinister quote from von der Leyen.
"Our utmost priority is to ensure the rights of Polish citizens are protected and that Polish citizens enjoy the benefits granted by membership of the European Union"
272BHP said:
On BBC news today
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58840076
Typically sinister quote from von der Leyen.
"Our utmost priority is to ensure the rights of Polish citizens are protected and that Polish citizens enjoy the benefits granted by membership of the European Union"
Assuming they need a referendum?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58840076
Typically sinister quote from von der Leyen.
"Our utmost priority is to ensure the rights of Polish citizens are protected and that Polish citizens enjoy the benefits granted by membership of the European Union"
Poles widely support EU membership
https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/08/03/support-in-...
For context, I saw a poll for 7% against in 2014, so opposition has increased 3 fold. But at 20%, miles away from leaving....
johnboy1975 said:
Assuming they need a referendum?
Poles widely support EU membership
https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/08/03/support-in-...
For context, I saw a poll for 7% against in 2014, so opposition has increased 3 fold. But at 20%, miles away from leaving....
Poles support membership because they get a buttload of money from the EU and they like being able to go and work anywhere they please. But they have also elected a leadership that is anti-women and anti-gay rights, and is pretty corrupt into the bargain. So pretty much they like the economic benefits but not so much into basic human and democratic rights.Poles widely support EU membership
https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/08/03/support-in-...
For context, I saw a poll for 7% against in 2014, so opposition has increased 3 fold. But at 20%, miles away from leaving....
I am massively simplifying things obviously, but the basic point is that they aren't going to vote to leave the EU any time soon. The EU is going to have to decide whether they are going to get tough and effectively throw them out if they don't shape up to EU rules, or roll over and let them continue to take the piss.
That's such a bulls
t article by the BBC. Germany are in exactly the same legal disagreement with the EU.
The framing is that it's a disagreement between the Polish Government and the EU, but it is a ruling of the Polish Constitutional Court and the Government has not passed it's judgement into Law.
t article by the BBC. Germany are in exactly the same legal disagreement with the EU. The framing is that it's a disagreement between the Polish Government and the EU, but it is a ruling of the Polish Constitutional Court and the Government has not passed it's judgement into Law.
LargeRed said:
I have a bet France or Germany will be the next BIG leavers.
Is that a cunning use of "BIG" and you feel that the only two "BIG" countries are France and Germany? On the basis that Spain is a net beneficiary and Italy kind of relies on the the Euro union to cope with its debt, I can sort of see the angle you are coming from, using the term "big". But I'd still like to hear the reasoning - I can't see either of those two ever leaving the EU, in many respects they ARE the EU.
Dr Jekyll said:
They won't kick them out, the purpose of the EU is to get bigger. All they could really do is stop the handouts, but it's because of the handouts that the Poles support EU membership.
Looks like many things are happening at the moment the Polish economy rising, how long before the EU will expect a contribution or a least cut the handouts,Then the Irish caving into raising corporate taxes, yes I know it’s Bidens pet project but the EU was pushing the tax increase too ! Then we have the French election , with Le Pen ,how will the people vote as the membership makes less sense and more rules , troublesome times ahead for the EUSSR .
Flooble said:
Is that a cunning use of "BIG" and you feel that the only two "BIG" countries are France and Germany?
On the basis that Spain is a net beneficiary and Italy kind of relies on the the Euro union to cope with its debt, I can sort of see the angle you are coming from, using the term "big". But I'd still like to hear the reasoning - I can't see either of those two ever leaving the EU, in many respects they ARE the EU.
The Euro has been a disaster for Italy ( and most of southern Europe).On the basis that Spain is a net beneficiary and Italy kind of relies on the the Euro union to cope with its debt, I can sort of see the angle you are coming from, using the term "big". But I'd still like to hear the reasoning - I can't see either of those two ever leaving the EU, in many respects they ARE the EU.
They are fooked now though, they cant leave it without destroying 50% of national wealth due to capital flight to Germany.
jsf said:
Flooble said:
Is that a cunning use of "BIG" and you feel that the only two "BIG" countries are France and Germany?
On the basis that Spain is a net beneficiary and Italy kind of relies on the the Euro union to cope with its debt, I can sort of see the angle you are coming from, using the term "big". But I'd still like to hear the reasoning - I can't see either of those two ever leaving the EU, in many respects they ARE the EU.
The Euro has been a disaster for Italy ( and most of southern Europe).On the basis that Spain is a net beneficiary and Italy kind of relies on the the Euro union to cope with its debt, I can sort of see the angle you are coming from, using the term "big". But I'd still like to hear the reasoning - I can't see either of those two ever leaving the EU, in many respects they ARE the EU.
They are fooked now though, they cant leave it without destroying 50% of national wealth due to capital flight to Germany.
The UK may even profit, had we joined. But, its an economic lever we have no control over. Not having it, remove an existential question we don't have to worry about. Intself, that has value.
Edited by stongle on Saturday 9th October 17:56
anonymous said:
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It's not that mad, look at how many times Germany got a bit military and had a go at its immediate neighbours.I'm not saying we were better in terms of empire building, it's just after ww2 the German appetite for it dwindled and it was decided that political distraction would be less damaging on the whole.
They won the peace, which was wholly expected.
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