Tyre Pressures for Track
Tyre Pressures for Track
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kinetic

Original Poster:

348 posts

267 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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Just run in my New M400 and I'm about to track it in the next week or so.

What tyres pressures, 'HOT', should I be using?

The manual says 10PSI difference front to rear. This seems a hell of a lot! Much more than in any other vehicle I've driven. Why such a differential?

LaurenceFrost

691 posts

275 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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Have a search through the old threads. Micknal always suggested using the same cold tyre pressures on road and track.

From memory this was 30 PSI front, and 18 PSI rear for the GTO-3, but do go and check that as:

a) I might have the figures wrong, and
b) These figures might not apply to the M400.

You can't really control the hot pressures as these vary greatly due to the heat.

Mr Noble

6,538 posts

256 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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I thought it was 20 psi front and 30 psi back for road and track.

My 3R uses the same wheels so I assume this would be the same for the M400

On a car limits day with Andy Walsh, he suggested putting in an extra 3-6 psi per tyre to give a better cornering grip and to reduce tyre wear, especially around the edges of the tyre wall.

HTH

GN

adrian w

15,117 posts

251 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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21F 31R works

sjc

15,805 posts

293 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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When I picked my car up (3R)last week I was told 18 front and 26 rear.

Mr Noble

6,538 posts

256 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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sjc said:
When I picked my car up (3R)last week I was told 18 front and 26 rear.


Thats what the handbook used to read, then it was changed to 18F 28R

but has now been upped to 20F 30R

think it makes little difference on road and just affects tyre wear on track.

20-22F and 30-33R is a good bet IMO.

AMG Merc

11,955 posts

276 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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3R books says 18/27 and the factory did say no changes to this for track - I see no reason to alter the pressures.

chillidog

1,021 posts

258 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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For me on the M400 I've now use 20 psi front and 30 psi rear.

I used to set them to 18/27 until someone pointed me to the *correct* manual.

On track do a few laps (and optionally wait for the handing to go off) then lower the tyre pressures back down to 20 and 30 again. I did this at Cadwell Park recently and was very surprised how far off the handling had gone - rears had gone up by about 6 psi, fonts by 3 psi. After readjustment handling was back to what I was used to.
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Richard

robp

2,097 posts

264 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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I'm sure Simon will provide the definitive answer to this, but till then it's:
SO3s - 18F 28R
Corsa's - 20F 30R
(Pressures taken when cold)
Some say Corsa's on track work better with SO3 pressures -others don't. Try it for youself and see.

micknall

826 posts

272 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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M400: 20(f), 30(r)
All other M12 models: 18(f), 27(r)

Factory recommend maintaining the above pressures for M12/M400 for both track and road use.

Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.

kinetic

Original Poster:

348 posts

267 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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O.K Thanks guys. I'll start will the factory settings and take it from there.

As someone who currently races a motorsport elise (ie. another mid-engined car) I still think 10PSI difference between the fronts and rears is an awful lot! I am not sure what that says about the balance of the car. Presumably the implication is if you had mathing pressures front to rear the car would oversteer in a big way!

With the fronts being so soft how do you find they wear on track?

joust

14,622 posts

282 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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Remember the difference in sizes between front and rear is huge!

Wear on fronts is about 1/3rd what it is on the rears (i.e. you need to replace the fronts about every 3 rear set replacements)

J

Mr Noble

6,538 posts

256 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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micknall said:
M400: 20(f), 30(r)
All other M12 models: 18(f), 27(r)

Factory recommend maintaining the above pressures for M12/M400 for both track and road use.

Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.


Thanks Simon. There seems to be a lot of confusion about this.

When I bought my 3R, the dealer crossed out the 18 and 27 in the handbook and wrote in 20F 30R. So thats what I have been running.

I was informed that the factory had revised these pressures and that the handbook was incorrect!!

Sure there is not going to be a massive difference between 27 and 30 (especially with my driving skills) but it would be good to have a unanimous figure that all dealers recognised too!

GN

micknall

826 posts

272 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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The handling/roadholding/ride of M12s and M400s is immensely sensitive to tyre pressures; just a couple of PSI can make a significant difference to the way in which the car behaves. The pressures I've posted are the result of extensive testing and will optimise your car's dynamic performance.

Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.

adrian w

15,117 posts

251 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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Simon, can you give hot and cold pressures, i,m assuming someone at Noble has the figures.

Adrian

micknall

826 posts

272 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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The figures quoted are cold.

Simon

chillidog

1,021 posts

258 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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kinetic said:
With the fronts being so soft how do you find they wear on track?

For me the rears worn out in 4K, fronts in 6K:- this refers to M400 on Corsas and involved several TD's.
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Richard