Poland closes its borders.

[crankedup5]

Poland ups the row with the EU by closing its borders to immigrants, even those that are genuine
refugees, reports the BBC today. Armed guards at its borders with orders to turn back those that cross those borders, even deporting those that have stepped onto Polish soil. Poland now talking of building a permanent wall on their borders. Maybe we will see a EU member Country have its card removed?

[Superflow]

Great news.

Poland has realised the EU project has failed and hopefully they will leave soon enough.

[Earthdweller]

Hasn’t Barnier been saying the same thing now he’s back in France ?

[Murph7355]

Earthdweller said:

Hasn’t Barnier been saying the same thing now he’s back in France ?

Election promises.

Likely count for about as much as any politicians

[Plymo]

Didn't quite a lot of EU countries (and the UK to an extent) do this in mid-2020 because of covid?
It probably wasn't legal but it seemed no one was that concerned

[JagLover]

Poland is basically doing the same thing as Greece but Greece strangely isn't being condemned as far as I am aware.

Following the increased illegal migration many of the countries on the EUs external border have been increasing border security. In the case of Poland they have the issue of Belarussia making trouble by taking migrants and then dumping them at the Polish border.

[Mrr T]

crankedup5 said:

Poland ups the row with the EU by closing its borders to immigrants, even those that are genuine
refugees, reports the BBC today. Armed guards at its borders with orders to turn back those that cross those borders, even deporting those that have stepped onto Polish soil. Poland now talking of building a permanent wall on their borders. Maybe we will see a EU member Country have its card removed?

Looking at the media. Poland has passed a law which seems to allow border guards to push back those crossing the border even if they claim asylum. We will see if it stands up in court since Poland has signed the UNCR.

Poland has also closed it border with Belarus after it alleged the Belarus government was assisting with border crossing.

The border between Poland and its EU neighbours remains unaffected. Poland is a member of Schengen so no border controls.

So unless I have missed something nothing to do with relations between Poland and the rest of the EU.

[crankedup5]

Seems that Poland is generally happy to accept the financial handouts from the EU, less so in having to abide by the rules and regulations of membership. Just what the powers that be within Brussels will actually action against Poland for its continued ‘middle finger waving’ to its overlords should be interesting. What possible sanctions could they impose upon Poland that wouldn’t create a Polish EU withdrawal. Plenty of ifs and buts to come I suspect.
Makes a change to be an interested bystander rather than required involvement.

[housen]

Mrr T said:

crankedup5 said:

Poland ups the row with the EU by closing its borders to immigrants, even those that are genuine
refugees, reports the BBC today. Armed guards at its borders with orders to turn back those that cross those borders, even deporting those that have stepped onto Polish soil. Poland now talking of building a permanent wall on their borders. Maybe we will see a EU member Country have its card removed?

Looking at the media. Poland has passed a law which seems to allow border guards to push back those crossing the border even if they claim asylum. We will see if it stands up in court since Poland has signed the UNCR.

Poland has also closed it border with Belarus after it alleged the Belarus government was assisting with border crossing.

The border between Poland and its EU neighbours remains unaffected. Poland is a member of Schengen so no border controls.

So unless I have missed something nothing to do with relations between Poland and the rest of the EU.


Thousands of people from Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan and African countries have been trying to cross from Belarus into the EU but have found themselves trapped in a densely wooded border zone with no food or shelter from plunging temperatures.

yes exactly

[crankedup5]

Murph7355 said:

Earthdweller said:

Hasn’t Barnier been saying the same thing now he’s back in France ?

Election promises.

Likely count for about as much as any politicians

The yellow shirts will be out for his blood if elected on lies, assuming of course they are not still busy blocking supplies to and from the U.K.

[crankedup5]

Mrr T said:

crankedup5 said:

Poland ups the row with the EU by closing its borders to immigrants, even those that are genuine
refugees, reports the BBC today. Armed guards at its borders with orders to turn back those that cross those borders, even deporting those that have stepped onto Polish soil. Poland now talking of building a permanent wall on their borders. Maybe we will see a EU member Country have its card removed?

Looking at the media. Poland has passed a law which seems to allow border guards to push back those crossing the border even if they claim asylum. We will see if it stands up in court since Poland has signed the UNCR.

Poland has also closed it border with Belarus after it alleged the Belarus government was assisting with border crossing.

The border between Poland and its EU neighbours remains unaffected. Poland is a member of Schengen so no border controls.

So unless I have missed something nothing to do with relations between Poland and the rest of the EU.

The news report I heard, from the renowned BBC, reported that Poland was / is turning away all
immigrants. It is openly challenging the EU and UNCR with its border stance, and intends to build border walls. This could be the precursor to Poland throwing in its towel and deciding to be once again an independent Nation. Signing up and being members is not something that Poland will consider to be its priority perhaps.
The power people in Brussels are incandescent with rage at Poland behaviour, to say relation are strained between the two is putting it mildly, it’s getting close to breaking point.

It’s certainly correct that many immigrants merely want to cross Poland into other Countries, Poland dismisses that reasoning.

[JagLover]

crankedup5 said:

The news report I heard, from the renowned BBC, reported that Poland was / is turning away all
immigrants. It is openly challenging the EU and UNCR with its border stance, and intends to build border walls. This could be the precursor to Poland throwing in its towel and deciding to be once again an independent Nation. Signing up and being members is not something that Poland will consider to be its priority perhaps.
The power people in Brussels are incandescent with rage at Poland behaviour, to say relation are strained between the two is putting it mildly, it’s getting close to breaking point.

It’s certainly correct that many immigrants merely want to cross Poland into other Countries, Poland dismisses that reasoning.

This is the Greek/Turkish border.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58289893

So I would be surprised if there is any issue with Poland building its own wall. They are no doubt on more shaky legal ground if migrants get in and are then thrown out again.

As for the people in charge in Brussels they have other issues with the government of Poland.

[MDMetal]

Good for Poland, we can work together to build an equal partnership for countries based on trade and mutual respect that doesn't undermine the economies and freedoms of those nations. One day the EU can apply for membership maybe....

[crankedup5]

^^^^^
The mainland European Countries are bracing themselves for the Afghanistan refugee crisis which is almost certainly on the near horizon. Poland will not accept them, what other EU member Countries will happily open their front door. Seems it’s wearing a bit thin and requires a different solution, it there isn’t one, as yet.
Certainly agree with the facts that the EU has other issues with Poland.

[768]

JagLover said:

This is the Greek/Turkish border.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58289893

So I would be surprised if there is any issue with Poland building its own wall. They are no doubt on more shaky legal ground if migrants get in and are then thrown out again.

As for the people in charge in Brussels they have other issues with the government of Poland.

But Turkey isn't in the EU?

I thought it was fine for an EU country to close its borders as long as it was temporary, whatever that means. Whether a wall with crossing points (that may well be closed temporarily) is a restriction of FoM I've no idea.

[JagLover]

768 said:

JagLover said:

This is the Greek/Turkish border.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58289893

So I would be surprised if there is any issue with Poland building its own wall. They are no doubt on more shaky legal ground if migrants get in and are then thrown out again.

As for the people in charge in Brussels they have other issues with the government of Poland.

But Turkey isn't in the EU?

I thought it was fine for an EU country to close its borders as long as it was temporary, whatever that means. Whether a wall with crossing points (that may well be closed temporarily) is a restriction of FoM I've no idea.

The issue being reported on is the external frontier of Poland. Principally with Belorussia but there may be issues with Ukraine that aren't being reported on. Neither of those countries are EU members and Poland is increasing security in the same way that Greece already has.

Twelve EU member countries not only are fine with Poland's wall they want the EU to be paying for it.

https://euobserver.com/migration/153169

[anonymous-user]

What ever the rights and wrongs of Polands actions, they are protecting everyone else in Europe and ourselves from this migration, they could take a different approach i.e. welcome them and take them to the next border along.

Guess where they will eventually end up?

[768]

JagLover said:

The issue being reported on is the external frontier of Poland. Principally with Belorussia but there may be issues with Ukraine that aren't being reported on.

Thanks, I'm surprised they're getting many migrants on that border.

[46and2]

gottans said:

What ever the rights and wrongs of Polands actions, they are protecting everyone else in Europe and ourselves from this migration, they could take a different approach i.e. welcome them and take them to the next border along.

Guess where they will eventually end up?

There's another country with a reputation for this... which one...wait.I'll get it......I think it begins with F?

[JagLover]

768 said:

JagLover said:

The issue being reported on is the external frontier of Poland. Principally with Belorussia but there may be issues with Ukraine that aren't being reported on.

Thanks, I'm surprised they're getting many migrants on that border.

The dictator of Belorussia is trying to make himself as much as a nuisance as possible and is busing migrants to the borders of the EU.

Apparently this is a reprisal for sanctions imposed on him.