Speed limiters for motorbikes by 2030
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...I thought we exit the EU ...didn't we ?!When this comes in on cars I thought there would be a simple off switch? Won’t this be the same with bikes?
As for the idea on bikes being canned due to it being dangerous, all a bike would need is an IMU (which most will have by 2030 I’d imagine) so the bike doesn’t cut power when it knows it’s in a vulnerable position to power loss.
As for the idea on bikes being canned due to it being dangerous, all a bike would need is an IMU (which most will have by 2030 I’d imagine) so the bike doesn’t cut power when it knows it’s in a vulnerable position to power loss.
MrGman said:
When this comes in on cars I thought there would be a simple off switch? Won’t this be the same with bikes?
As for the idea on bikes being canned due to it being dangerous, all a bike would need is an IMU (which most will have by 2030 I’d imagine) so the bike doesn’t cut power when it knows it’s in a vulnerable position to power loss.
There will be a number of years with an off-switch buried in a settings menu, then the plan is to remove that switch. It’s a soft introduction of a planned rigid control.As for the idea on bikes being canned due to it being dangerous, all a bike would need is an IMU (which most will have by 2030 I’d imagine) so the bike doesn’t cut power when it knows it’s in a vulnerable position to power loss.
You are 100% correct on the IMU situation though.
Drawweight said:
I thought the speed limiter didn’t actually cut power is just stops accelerating.
I’m not a fan obviously but if you buy a new bike it’s hardly going to take you by surprise on the first corner you go round.
‘Oh sorry we forgot to mention that’
The motorcycle is limited by reducing power.I’m not a fan obviously but if you buy a new bike it’s hardly going to take you by surprise on the first corner you go round.
‘Oh sorry we forgot to mention that’
You’re going round a slippy corner at 60mph and then the limit changes to 30mph. The motorcycle will reduce engine power and possibly even brake.
Kawasicki said:
There will be a number of years with an off-switch buried in a settings menu, then the plan is to remove that switch. It’s a soft introduction of a planned rigid control.
You are 100% correct on the IMU situation though.
Ah ok, to be honest honest I’m surprised it’s taken this long with modern technology. It really will be the end of enjoying driving/riding though. You are 100% correct on the IMU situation though.
MrGman said:
When this comes in on cars I thought there would be a simple off switch? Won’t this be the same with bikes?
As for the idea on bikes being canned due to it being dangerous, all a bike would need is an IMU (which most will have by 2030 I’d imagine) so the bike doesn’t cut power when it knows it’s in a vulnerable position to power loss.
Knows you're in a vulnerable position? Just as long as you're not half way through the overtake where the vehicle being passed was doing less than the limit but has now speeded up.As for the idea on bikes being canned due to it being dangerous, all a bike would need is an IMU (which most will have by 2030 I’d imagine) so the bike doesn’t cut power when it knows it’s in a vulnerable position to power loss.
Not such a common occurrence in cars as they don't filter but can happen quite often on a bike.
Kawasicki said:
Drawweight said:
I thought the speed limiter didn’t actually cut power is just stops accelerating.
I’m not a fan obviously but if you buy a new bike it’s hardly going to take you by surprise on the first corner you go round.
‘Oh sorry we forgot to mention that’
The motorcycle is limited by reducing power.I’m not a fan obviously but if you buy a new bike it’s hardly going to take you by surprise on the first corner you go round.
‘Oh sorry we forgot to mention that’
You’re going round a slippy corner at 60mph and then the limit changes to 30mph. The motorcycle will reduce engine power and possibly even brake.
Mammasaid said:
Please show me a corner where the limit changes mid-corner from 60 to 30?
The Road into Nowton Village from the south. https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2121571,0.7304698,...
Mammasaid said:
Kawasicki said:
Drawweight said:
I thought the speed limiter didn’t actually cut power is just stops accelerating.
I’m not a fan obviously but if you buy a new bike it’s hardly going to take you by surprise on the first corner you go round.
‘Oh sorry we forgot to mention that’
The motorcycle is limited by reducing power.I’m not a fan obviously but if you buy a new bike it’s hardly going to take you by surprise on the first corner you go round.
‘Oh sorry we forgot to mention that’
You’re going round a slippy corner at 60mph and then the limit changes to 30mph. The motorcycle will reduce engine power and possibly even brake.
I abhor such proposals, whatever type of vehicle, but since the technology exists, I’m quite surprised that it hasn’t been implemented already by those who don’t know what the real world is actually like.
Similarly, average speed cameras. The Gatso only ever covered 100 yards or so of road but the average speed camera can cover many miles easily; again, whilst I hate the thought, I’m surprised that every A road and more isn’t plastered with the things.
Similarly, average speed cameras. The Gatso only ever covered 100 yards or so of road but the average speed camera can cover many miles easily; again, whilst I hate the thought, I’m surprised that every A road and more isn’t plastered with the things.
black-k1 said:
Knows you're in a vulnerable position? Just as long as you're not half way through the overtake where the vehicle being passed was doing less than the limit but has now speeded up.
Not such a common occurrence in cars as they don't filter but can happen quite often on a bike.
You’re not really up to date on technology are you. Not such a common occurrence in cars as they don't filter but can happen quite often on a bike.
MrGman said:
black-k1 said:
Knows you're in a vulnerable position? Just as long as you're not half way through the overtake where the vehicle being passed was doing less than the limit but has now speeded up.
Not such a common occurrence in cars as they don't filter but can happen quite often on a bike.
You’re not really up to date on technology are you. Not such a common occurrence in cars as they don't filter but can happen quite often on a bike.
Kawasicki said:
MrGman said:
black-k1 said:
Knows you're in a vulnerable position? Just as long as you're not half way through the overtake where the vehicle being passed was doing less than the limit but has now speeded up.
Not such a common occurrence in cars as they don't filter but can happen quite often on a bike.
You’re not really up to date on technology are you. Not such a common occurrence in cars as they don't filter but can happen quite often on a bike.
There’s a handful of bikes already equipped with radars which track what cars are in front of you, in ten years these could easily track vehicles from all direction over a much larger area, they could even all link together within a certain moving radius, instead of limiting your power as you over take the ‘technology’ may think it’s more appropriate to stop that car from speeding up.
Can I just say, I’m firmly against all this technology but I don’t think we have a choice in our nanny state, it’s coming whether we like it or not.
I’m a strong believer that driver driven vehicles, days are numbered, and it’s closer than we think.
Kawasicki said:
EU has proposed that all new motorcycles should be fitted with automatic speed limiters by 2030, similar to those fitted to cars from next year.
Er….no thanks.
At least link the article.Er….no thanks.
https://www.britishmotorcyclists.co.uk/meps-want-i...
"The European Parliament.... suggests Intelligent Speed Assistance on motorcycles"
"On the vehicle side, the Parliament calls for inclusion of vehicle safety features in the periodical technical inspections. It also calls for ABS for all motorcycles and to fit intelligent speed assistance systems in all new vehicles, including motorcycles. Also, eCall should be fitted on motorcycles."
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Comment from FEMA General Secretary Dolf Willigers -
"Dolf continues: “We do not support any technical features that take away the control of the motorcycle from the rider and therefore – although we understand the need to reduce speed in certain situations – we see any kind of Intelligent Speed Assistance that interferes with engine control as a danger for motorcyclists, as we have already discussed with the European Commission in 2019. The Commission agreed with us that you cannot just fit ISA on motorcycles.”
the report itself -
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/A-9-...
"....which should also require high-performing intelligent speed assistance systems to be fitted in all new vehicles; calls on the Commission, in this regard, to consider the practical application of making it compulsory to equip motorcycles with these systems and the feasibility, acceptability and possible implications for road safety of next-generation intelligent speed assistance for cars, vans, trucks and buses;"
Edited by BobSaunders on Saturday 16th October 11:24
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