Winter 2021 - do you expect Plan A or Plan B?
Poll: Winter 2021 - do you expect Plan A or Plan B?
Total Members Polled: 194
Discussion
The government have laid our their stall for Autumn and Winter 2021. Here it is -
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-1...
A cynic might think that Plan B is actually the plan and this is purely an "exposure" play to weaken the organisation of any opposition.
So, the question is simple - which Plan do you think is actually going to happen?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-1...
A cynic might think that Plan B is actually the plan and this is purely an "exposure" play to weaken the organisation of any opposition.
So, the question is simple - which Plan do you think is actually going to happen?
From the link the OP links to :
Plan A is
a. Building our defences through pharmaceutical interventions: vaccines, antivirals and disease modifying therapeutics.
b. Identifying and isolating positive cases to limit transmission: Test, Trace and Isolate.
c. Supporting the NHS and social care: managing pressures and recovering services.
d. Advising people on how to protect themselves and others: clear guidance and communications.
e. Pursuing an international approach: helping to vaccinate the world and managing risks at the border.
Plan B is
The Government’s Plan B prioritises measures which can help control transmission of the virus while seeking to minimise economic and social impacts. This includes:
a. Communicating clearly and urgently to the public that the level of risk has increased, and with it the need to behave more cautiously.
b. Introducing mandatory vaccine-only COVID-status certification in certain settings.
c. Legally mandating face coverings in certain settings.
The Government would also consider asking people once again to work from home if they can, for a limited period.
Plan A is
a. Building our defences through pharmaceutical interventions: vaccines, antivirals and disease modifying therapeutics.
b. Identifying and isolating positive cases to limit transmission: Test, Trace and Isolate.
c. Supporting the NHS and social care: managing pressures and recovering services.
d. Advising people on how to protect themselves and others: clear guidance and communications.
e. Pursuing an international approach: helping to vaccinate the world and managing risks at the border.
Plan B is
The Government’s Plan B prioritises measures which can help control transmission of the virus while seeking to minimise economic and social impacts. This includes:
a. Communicating clearly and urgently to the public that the level of risk has increased, and with it the need to behave more cautiously.
b. Introducing mandatory vaccine-only COVID-status certification in certain settings.
c. Legally mandating face coverings in certain settings.
The Government would also consider asking people once again to work from home if they can, for a limited period.
k up healthcare so I’m assuming Plan B is their real Plan A?I voted Other.
Plan B is already the default for where we are going. When has the NHS not been under intense pressure over the winter? Except this year we are going into winter with the NHS already near its limit.
There will be a lockdown or firebreak as the politicians will label it, firstly driven by Scotland/Wales implementing it and the media sensationalism/scarmongering forcing England to follow. It will be politically driven by the devolved government(s).
The firebreak will be back to the restrictions of the first 3 months of 2021, so only essential shops and garden centres will remain open, with everything else takeaway only. No holidays, pubs, indoor dining, gyms, theatres, spectator events, etc.
I reckon announced for 2 weeks initially but then extended to 4 and possibly 6 weeks in duration. To me it is a coin toss if it occurs this side of Christmas.
Plan B is already the default for where we are going. When has the NHS not been under intense pressure over the winter? Except this year we are going into winter with the NHS already near its limit.
There will be a lockdown or firebreak as the politicians will label it, firstly driven by Scotland/Wales implementing it and the media sensationalism/scarmongering forcing England to follow. It will be politically driven by the devolved government(s).
The firebreak will be back to the restrictions of the first 3 months of 2021, so only essential shops and garden centres will remain open, with everything else takeaway only. No holidays, pubs, indoor dining, gyms, theatres, spectator events, etc.
I reckon announced for 2 weeks initially but then extended to 4 and possibly 6 weeks in duration. To me it is a coin toss if it occurs this side of Christmas.
ATG said:
Colonel Cupcake said:
It will be Plan B. Which I will do everything to ignore and/or circumvent.
Very constructiveIf more people stopped participating in the pantomime, it would all be over in a fortnight.
There's nothing more to be done. A vaccine is available to anyone who wants one, anyone can wear a mask if they feel they need to and anyone can stay at home forevermore and have everything delivered if they so wish.
I'm done with Covid.
Ashfordian said:
There will be a lockdown or firebreak as the politicians will label it, firstly driven by Scotland/Wales implementing it and the media sensationalism/scarmongering forcing England to follow. It will be politically driven by the devolved government(s).
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Do you think there will be more school closures. ?.
That (to us) was a massively important change. Thinking about it now makes me think WTF not for the reasons it was done but the fact it was.
We were very lucky being able to bring the kids to work/ arrange cover/ having good internet access and most importantly being able to get some tutoring in place and having children who are keen to learn
Sadly it'll be the usual technique of quietly half-suggesting "it's only a possibility" and using that to lessen the impact of ultimately fully inflicting plan B on us.
They do it every time. "Look a squirrel" meanwhile they're quietly ****ing you.
Too many conformists over the last year or so. As a society, we've effectively rolled over and let them have their way.
They do it every time. "Look a squirrel" meanwhile they're quietly ****ing you.
Too many conformists over the last year or so. As a society, we've effectively rolled over and let them have their way.
I voted B -
What a stupid criteria using the annual NHS "crisis" to decide basically every personal freedom.
They've spunked billions on keeping the country shut, and what were effectively bribes to the public to allow it to happen.
After all that money and 18 months of knowing about this, if the health service can't cope that's their problem, and especially the problem of those who run it!
It's bound to happen, but they'll try and make it sound like they have no choice...
I'm not convinced it's some sort of global conspiracy though, it's weak politicians making sure they do something.
Even better, it's measures that affect those who actually vote for them the least.
What a stupid criteria using the annual NHS "crisis" to decide basically every personal freedom.
They've spunked billions on keeping the country shut, and what were effectively bribes to the public to allow it to happen.
After all that money and 18 months of knowing about this, if the health service can't cope that's their problem, and especially the problem of those who run it!
It's bound to happen, but they'll try and make it sound like they have no choice...
I'm not convinced it's some sort of global conspiracy though, it's weak politicians making sure they do something.
Even better, it's measures that affect those who actually vote for them the least.
Plan B without a doubt
Gov.uk said:
If the data suggests the NHS is likely to come under unsustainable pressure, the Government has prepared a Plan B for England. The Government hopes not to have to implement Plan B, but given the uncertainty, it is setting out details now so that the public and businesses know what to expect if further measures become necessary.
There is no uncertainty Edited by Ar63 on Saturday 16th October 19:47
Dagnir said:
Sadly it'll be the usual technique of quietly half-suggesting "it's only a possibility" and using that to lessen the impact of ultimately fully inflicting plan B on us.
They do it every time. "Look a squirrel" meanwhile they're quietly ****ing you.
Too many conformists over the last year or so. As a society, we've effectively rolled over and let them have their way.
I think you are correct. The "Two Plans" Plan is just another way of making the unthinkable thinkable by leaking the plan or denying it. It has been somewhat depressing watching it work time after time with only the smallest variation.They do it every time. "Look a squirrel" meanwhile they're quietly ****ing you.
Too many conformists over the last year or so. As a society, we've effectively rolled over and let them have their way.
Will the pattern continue? The conformity. The appeasement. Or is there a line at which people will stop and think?
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