Low carbon heat pump grants worth £5k for England and Wales
Discussion
Another article here https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/1...
Described as a lot of hot air from Boris Johnson.
Described as a lot of hot air from Boris Johnson.
rjfp1962 said:
From within there...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-571...
BBC said:
It's not clear whether heat pumps could be cheaper to run than gas boilers
And an old article on a Scottish village who installed GSHP and were left with higher bills:The eco boilers that cost £5K a year: A 'green' energy deal gone wrong
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-...
The Spruce Goose said:
The UK and Europe are up s
t creek, because of the reliance on Gas, which the majority of supply is controlled by Russia. So half baked ideas to try and put a plaster on the problem.
Aye, but it's worse than that - another large slice of our energy supply is controlled by chance. Another problem which half-baked ideas won't fix.t creek, because of the reliance on Gas, which the majority of supply is controlled by Russia. So half baked ideas to try and put a plaster on the problem. This is going to lead to another generation of chancers and charlatans flogging systems to the unwary. Loads of Daily Mail “sad face” incoming.
Heat Pumps in a new build or extensive renovation are a good idea. In fact I’d be at the point where I would not consider a gas system today if I was building from scratch.
Spannering these things into existing houses is unlikely to end well for most people.
Heat Pumps in a new build or extensive renovation are a good idea. In fact I’d be at the point where I would not consider a gas system today if I was building from scratch.
Spannering these things into existing houses is unlikely to end well for most people.
turbobloke said:
The Spruce Goose said:
The UK and Europe are up st creek, because of the reliance on Gas, which the majority of supply is controlled by Russia. So half baked ideas to try and put a plaster on the problem.
Aye, but it's worse than that - another large slice of our energy supply is controlled by chance. Another problem which half-baked ideas won't fix.t creek, because of the reliance on Gas, which the majority of supply is controlled by Russia. So half baked ideas to try and put a plaster on the problem. Blue labour and the green energy gravy train !!
Metal Guru said:
I thought heat pumps required a large area of land to extract enough heat to be viable.
How’s that going to work in cities where most houses have postage stamp gardens.
Even in the country, new builds have minuscule gardens too.
You are thinking of a ground source heat pump. There is air source heat pump too.How’s that going to work in cities where most houses have postage stamp gardens.
Even in the country, new builds have minuscule gardens too.
JagLover said:
Tlandcruiser said:
I don’t think the average person has realised how much this is going to end up costing them, not just on installation costs but on secondary costs of insulation too etc
and perhaps running additional electric heaters. rxe said:
This is going to lead to another generation of chancers and charlatans flogging systems to the unwary. Loads of Daily Mail “sad face” incoming.
Heat Pumps in a new build or extensive renovation are a good idea. In fact I’d be at the point where I would not consider a gas system today if I was building from scratch.
Spannering these things into existing houses is unlikely to end well for most people.
Which agrees with WHICH?. They point out that pumps are most suitable for new homes or existing homes with larger radiators or underfloor heating because the heat they produce is cooler than that from a conventional gas or oil boiler, so to be effective they need a large surface area to release the heat. WHICH? reckons households should consider additional costs associated with replacement radiatiors/underfloor heating/more insulation.Heat Pumps in a new build or extensive renovation are a good idea. In fact I’d be at the point where I would not consider a gas system today if I was building from scratch.
Spannering these things into existing houses is unlikely to end well for most people.
johnboy1975 said:
And an old article on a Scottish village who installed GSHP and were left with higher bills:
The eco boilers that cost £5K a year: A 'green' energy deal gone wrong
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-...
In this case, I don't think they installed GSHP units. I believe they were all electric combi boilers and they got caught out by the rises in electricity prices.The eco boilers that cost £5K a year: A 'green' energy deal gone wrong
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-...
We had an electric central heating boiler when we moved in to our house 20 years ago and the costs were horrendous then. We ripped it out after the first winter and went with oil which was much cheaper and warmer. (no mains gas available - and yes I know things will have moved on in 20 years)
Blackpuddin said:
Neighbours have just had an air pump installed at approx £10k, I imagine they'll be a bit narked at having missed out on the grant. They've got their fingers crossed for fuel savings but it's not been cold enough to find that out yet.
Well the great thing about them is they are less efficient in cold weather (and the colder it gets), they are fantastic in hot weather when you do not need or desire central heating though 
Huntsman said:
Metal Guru said:
I thought heat pumps required a large area of land to extract enough heat to be viable.
How’s that going to work in cities where most houses have postage stamp gardens.
Even in the country, new builds have minuscule gardens too.
You are thinking of a ground source heat pump. There is air source heat pump too.How’s that going to work in cities where most houses have postage stamp gardens.
Even in the country, new builds have minuscule gardens too.
Are these things going to be the quick sell double glazing for the 21st century?
garagewidow said:
Huntsman said:
Metal Guru said:
I thought heat pumps required a large area of land to extract enough heat to be viable.
How’s that going to work in cities where most houses have postage stamp gardens.
Even in the country, new builds have minuscule gardens too.
You are thinking of a ground source heat pump. There is air source heat pump too.How’s that going to work in cities where most houses have postage stamp gardens.
Even in the country, new builds have minuscule gardens too.
Are these things going to be the quick sell double glazing for the 21st century?
garagewidow said:
They can use the heat exchangers as cladding on the high rise flats.
Are these things going to be the quick sell double glazing for the 21st century?
Buildings will be festooned with them:Are these things going to be the quick sell double glazing for the 21st century?
You must have special units in the UK to protect against freezing, or stuff which maintains the units effectiveness when the temperature drops enough that there's barely any heat-exchange from the ambient air to the (outside) evaporator. At least you'll have some cooling/dehumidifying in the summer! Which will drive your electrical network like it has never been driven before
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