Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe husband on hunger strike
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according to BBC's newsnight Richard Ratcliffe the husband of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe who is detained in Iran is on a 18th day hunger strick.
While Richard Radcliffe is to be admired in his attepts to get his wife released and brought back to the UK, i can not help feel he is being incredibly selfish in his actions of putting himself in danger by refusing food for such a long time, after all he hasa little girl who is dependant on him!
could not find past threads on the subject!
While Richard Radcliffe is to be admired in his attepts to get his wife released and brought back to the UK, i can not help feel he is being incredibly selfish in his actions of putting himself in danger by refusing food for such a long time, after all he hasa little girl who is dependant on him!
could not find past threads on the subject!
Jasey_ said:
croyde said:
Not sure how being on hunger strike in the UK is going to help the poor guy and his wife.
Boris couldn't give a fek and the Iranians don't either.
Wasn't it Boris putting his foot in it that caused her to be detained for longer in the first place?
Not its not paying the 400 million debt.Boris couldn't give a fek and the Iranians don't either.
Wasn't it Boris putting his foot in it that caused her to be detained for longer in the first place?
superlightr said:
Jasey_ said:
croyde said:
Not sure how being on hunger strike in the UK is going to help the poor guy and his wife.
Boris couldn't give a fek and the Iranians don't either.
Wasn't it Boris putting his foot in it that caused her to be detained for longer in the first place?
Not its not paying the 400 million debt.Boris couldn't give a fek and the Iranians don't either.
Wasn't it Boris putting his foot in it that caused her to be detained for longer in the first place?
Mind you, what the fek is the UK doing selling weapons to dodgy regimes?
Still I suppose it's worked for the economy for decades if not centuries.
croyde said:
Uho, see the problem.
Mind you, what the fek is the UK doing selling weapons to dodgy regimes?
Still I suppose it's worked for the economy for decades if not centuries.
Yep - a bit like us supplying Saudi with Typhoon jets & various types of cluster munitions to fight their proxy war in Yemen. Now we have Martin Bell advertising on TV to donate £££ to help all those poor souls who are now destitute/starving & have suffered one of the largest man made cholera epidemics in history.... Still, it keeps people employed at BAE Systems.Mind you, what the fek is the UK doing selling weapons to dodgy regimes?
Still I suppose it's worked for the economy for decades if not centuries.
Why are we bothered about how Iran treats an Iranian citizen who voluntarily went to Iran using her Iranian passport and then went and did things it was obvious the government wouldn't like? She obviously thought marrying someone with a British passport would give her a get out of jail free card, but forgot she was still actually an Iranian.
And yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
And yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
Ean218 said:
Why are we bothered about how Iran treats an Iranian citizen who voluntarily went to Iran using her Iranian passport and then went and did things it was obvious the government wouldn't like? She obviously thought marrying someone with a British passport would give her a get out of jail free card, but forgot she was still actually an Iranian.
And yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
A horrible situation, but sadly I agree with the above. One wonders what she was actually doing there.And yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
Ean218 said:
Why are we bothered about how Iran treats an Iranian citizen who voluntarily went to Iran using her Iranian passport and then went and did things it was obvious the government wouldn't like? She obviously thought marrying someone with a British passport would give her a get out of jail free card, but forgot she was still actually an Iranian.
And yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
She should have kept her head down and her mouth shut.And yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
Ean218 said:
Why are we bothered about how Iran treats an Iranian citizen who voluntarily went to Iran using her Iranian passport and then went and did things it was obvious the government wouldn't like? She obviously thought marrying someone with a British passport would give her a get out of jail free card, but forgot she was still actually an Iranian.
And yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
Just to clarify this point. She was arrested for something she had already done, here in the UK I think, which was her past training of Journalists.And yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
She was in the country to visit family members I believe. Yes you could say she was foolhardy in visiting such a country after giving them any cause to want to arrest her.
Octoposse said:
I was going to say that a competent (and interested) government could have got her back in an afternoon - but it’s probably more like a week as there is the labyrinth of Iranian internal power struggles to navigate.
By paying the "ransom" demanded no doubt. We have no other leverage over the Iranian regime. So it is more a question of whether one UK citizen is worth £400 million
croyde said:
Mind you, what the fek is the UK doing selling weapons to dodgy regimes?
I have a friend in Iran who I've been talking to on Skype and corresponding with for a number of years.The impression that I have formed is that they are nothing like as dodgy as the West makes out. My friend - who was born long after the fall of the Shah, so has only lived under the Islamic regime - is female in her mid 20's, single; she lives independently, is very well educated (a hospital anesthetist; effectively trained as a doctor) and dresses, thinks, and behaves in exactly the same way as you'd expect a young female professional in the UK to do.
She grumbles about being expected to wear a hijab in public most of the time (though there are some areas of the country that are more relaxed, apparently), and some things are expensive and in short supply because of Western sanctions, but the society is safe, stable and well-governed. The photos she sends me are of beautiful well-maintained towns with clean and pretty public spaces.
All of which is to say that I wouldn't be so quick in jumping to the conclusion that Iran is the big, nasty Islamic ogre and the US (and lapdog UK) is a beacon of democracy, light, law and order...
Ean218 said:
Why are we bothered about how Iran treats an Iranian citizen who voluntarily went to Iran using her Iranian passport and then went and did things it was obvious the government wouldn't like? She obviously thought marrying someone with a British passport would give her a get out of jail free card, but forgot she was still actually an Iranian.
And yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
This in fAnd yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
king spades! It's a stty regime, she went there and did things she knew would ps off said stty regime. Her actions are not our governments problems.
Her husband is a selfish prick.
Equus said:
All of which is to say that I wouldn't be so quick in jumping to the conclusion that Iran is the big, nasty Islamic ogre and the US (and lapdog UK) is a beacon of democracy, light, law and order...
Iran is a theocracy with a thin veneer of democracy. Is it the worst regime in the region?, of course not, most would prefer to be a citizen of Iran than Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. To think it is western because it is orderly and women can work would be a big mistake.
The reason why it faces sanctions and the like in any case is not due to its internal actions but its actions abroad. The Syrian regime, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of its own civilians, is only still in power due to Iranian backing. Hezbollah and Hamas are also Iranian backed. It also backs proxies in Iraq and Yemen.
So it is not so much that the west are "beacons of light" but they are trying to preserve regional stability while Iran seeks to export its Islamist revolution.
JagLover said:
To think it is western because it is orderly and women can work would be a big mistake.
Where did I say that it was western?I am merely pointing out that - whatever fancy words you choose to apply to its mode of government - it is by and large a peaceful and not terribly oppressed place to live. It is in the West's political interests to promote a contrary view, of course, if you're stupid enough to believe our Government's own propaganda without question.
JagLover said:
The reason why it faces sanctions and the like in any case is not due to its internal actions but its actions abroad. The Syrian regime, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of its own civilians, is only still in power due to Iranian backing. Hezbollah and Hamas are also Iranian backed. It also backs proxies in Iraq and Yemen.
...While the UK and US are entirely blameless and pristine in their foreign policy and actions, of course? JagLover said:
So it is not so much that the west are "beacons of light" but they are trying to preserve regional stability while Iran seeks to export its
Islamist revolution.
Islamist revolution.
You really have drunk the Koolaid, haven't you? AJL308 said:
Ean218 said:
Why are we bothered about how Iran treats an Iranian citizen who voluntarily went to Iran using her Iranian passport and then went and did things it was obvious the government wouldn't like? She obviously thought marrying someone with a British passport would give her a get out of jail free card, but forgot she was still actually an Iranian.
And yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
This in fAnd yes, she has become a pawn in a much bigger picture, but it is all her own fault.
king spades! It's a stty regime, she went there and did things she knew would ps off said stty regime. Her actions are not our governments problems.
Her husband is a selfish prick.
JagLover said:
Just to clarify this point. She was arrested for something she had already done, here in the UK I think, which was her past training of Journalists.
She was in the country to visit family members I believe. Yes you could say she was foolhardy in visiting such a country after giving them any cause to want to arrest her.
My boss was Iranian a few years ago. No way would she set foot in the country in order to visit family, far too high profile (and she wasn’t even doing anything remotely likely to piss of the regime). Back before it all went to sShe was in the country to visit family members I believe. Yes you could say she was foolhardy in visiting such a country after giving them any cause to want to arrest her.
t, she would meet them in Lebanon. They may or may not have a case for the 400 million, but you don’t just pay people because they’ve kidnapped someone who was doing something a bit reckless.
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