US conservatives are moving towards book burnings

[PeteinSQ]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/11/virginia-s...

That country is a fking mess - you can have someone apparently legally travel to a town to off some rioters, but we can't have the same people getting offended by books about slavery so must burn the books that reference them.

[donkmeister]

I can't disagree that it's a mess over there but we've got similar BS in our country.

The thing is, when you see people attending book-burnings, or loudly protesting that a teacher showed a picture of a medieval Arabic gentleman, you can guarantee that none of them had to cancel brain surgery or shift a peer review on a rocket science paper to attend... In short, it's the angry thickies in every group doing this whilst the nice people just facepalm.

The sooner we can rid these idiots of the notion that there is a sky-fairy who gives a toss about any of this, the better. I'm yet to hear of a Bible/Qur'an-basher who doesn't pick and choose the bits that allow them to be horrible without impacting on their other lifestyle choices.

[bitchstewie]

Well we got to three pages when those crazy leftists did it.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

This time barely a whimper.

Wonder what's different

[NRS]

bhstewie said:

Well we got to three pages when those crazy leftists did it.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

This time barely a whimper.

Wonder what's different

Probably a bit of time for people to reply?

Plus of course looking at those posting here so far there was none posting in outrage about burning those sorts of books.

The west is disappearing up it's own arse picking sides and trying to cancel out the other side, and these two threads are perfect mini-examples of it. No one listens to each other, the other side are terrible and their side is perfect. It's bloody depressing to be honest.

[PeteinSQ]

NRS said:

Probably a bit of time for people to reply?

Plus of course looking at those posting here so far there was none posting in outrage about burning those sorts of books.

The west is disappearing up it's own arse picking sides and trying to cancel out the other side, and these two threads are perfect mini-examples of it. No one listens to each other, the other side are terrible and their side is perfect. It's bloody depressing to be honest.

Have to say I didn't see the other thread. I don't support that either, although some of the Tin Tin books are a bit of their time and maybe not that suitable for kids anymore. Not that I advocate burning them.

Edited by PeteinSQ on Friday 12th November 14:46

[pquinn]

I think the journo just threw on 'Conservatives' because of who they're writing for. Should just put 'Americans' because it seems all sorts have the same idea, all that varies is which set of books/people they want to burn.

The Nazi analogy is a bit of a lazy dog whistle though.

[Northernboy]

PeteinSQ said:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/11/virginia-s...

That country is a fking mess - you can have someone apparently legally travel to a town to off some rioters, but we can't have the same people getting offended by books about slavery so must burn the books that reference them.

It’s not only a US thing though, we had a spate of book burning in the UK only last year;

https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-books-burned-t...

[Biggy Stardust]

Be fair- these people are only burning 'bad' books, not the ones that 'right-thinking' people would choose to read.

[Northernboy]

PeteinSQ said:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/11/virginia-s...

That country is a fking mess - you can have someone apparently legally travel to a town to off some rioters,

Have you not bothered watching the trial, or reading about it, or did you post that despite actually knowing that it’s untrue?

There are a fair few people here determined to ignore the facts coming out at trial in their determination to crucify the guy being tried.

[jeff m]

Firstly my wife use to subscribe to vanity fair, it is extremely liberal.
A bit of US history, the Klu Klux Klan were democrats in the South, you will not find that in the new Critical Race Theory.
They are trying to re write history.
If you read Obama's book it appears only the US and UK were responsible for slavery, no mention of the Arabs who practiced slavery long before, and long after.
CRT is trying to be put into schools to brainwash children.

[Countdown]

NRS said:

bhstewie said:

Well we got to three pages when those crazy leftists did it.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

This time barely a whimper.

Wonder what's different

Probably a bit of time for people to reply?

Plus of course looking at those posting here so far there was none posting in outrage about burning those sorts of books.

On the other thread

bhstewie said:

Stupid, sinister, misguided, wrong, take your pick.

Seems to have happened in 2019 and in Canada so it doesn't seem to have caught-on thankfully.

[NRS]

PeteinSQ said:

Have to say I didn't see the other thread. I don't support that either, although some of the Tin Tin books are a bit of their time and maybe not that suitable for kids anymore. Not that I advocate burning them.

Edited by PeteinSQ on Friday 12th November 14:46

Fair enough! There does seem to be more and more cancel culture on both sides - I don't think it's going to continue well. We're basically ending up with 2 societies in each country who just won't regard each other as having a point on anything. It's worrying.

[Gweeds]

Shall we start calling them Fascists. Because that’s what they are.

[anonymoususer]

People are confused and feel let down by the way things are going
They are upset that Mr Biden doesn't have a magic wand. He isn't the fantastic friendly chap who can just undue 4 years of Trump

[threespires]

jeff m said:

A bit of US history, the Klu Klux Klan were democrats in the South..

KKK Democrats? I'm not too sure about that.

[GroundEffect]

threespires said:

jeff m said:

A bit of US history, the Klu Klux Klan were democrats in the South..

KKK Democrats? I'm not too sure about that.

His post quietly misses out that the Democrats were the right wing party until the early 20th century. They've switched positions.

[Northernboy]

threespires said:

KKK Democrats? I'm not too sure about that.

Why not? They tended to be far more opposed to emancipation than the Republicans were.

[Derek Smith]

jeff m said:

Firstly my wife use to subscribe to vanity fair, it is extremely liberal.
A bit of US history, the Klu Klux Klan were democrats in the South, you will not find that in the new Critical Race Theory.
They are trying to re write history.
If you read Obama's book it appears only the US and UK were responsible for slavery, no mention of the Arabs who practiced slavery long before, and long after.
CRT is trying to be put into schools to brainwash children.

I read White Gold.

Worth a read, although much of it was a first-hand account, and it's not to be depended on. That said, the 'Barbary Coast pirates' enslaved people, invading coastal towns and villages, including Ireland, Wales and England, the so-called white slavery, or christian slavers of history. The figure of £1.25m is probably wide of the mark with regards the number of christian slaves taken, but the main source of slaves wasn't the British Isles. It's impossible to say how many they enslaved, but lots sort of covers it, and probably more than 1.25m.

The Atlantic slave traders did not, it would appear, enslave many of those they transported in industrial numbers. It was a 'buy and sell' procedure, completely divorced from the impact of humanity of it all.

I read a number of history books on slavery. Oddly, most seemed to agree on numbers, so probably used same source material, but it seems clear that slavery was, more or less, the normal state for millions, right up until the Victorian era. The Portuguese and British took it too a new level of horror, taking little care in the welfare of their 'cargo'. Most would be worked to death, as has been the lot of the slaves over eaons.

Egypt has tried to suggest that no slaves were used in the production of the pyramids. This seems illogical, to say the least. There's no doubt that Egyptian slaves outnumbered the citizens for the vast majority of time it existed, and it seems odd that they were not used in the biggest construction product of the time. Even if all they did was hew the rocks and transport them (unlikely) that's still 'involved'.

Slavery went on in the UK well into the 20thC, with children being bought and sold. Those sent to workhouse were de facto slaves, and it wasn't until after WWII tht they were closed. My paternal grandmother was incarcerated in a workhouse in Ireland (then part of the UK) at the age of around 5, and ran away, which was illegal, when about 14.

In England, there was slavery before the Romans invaded, and then it was placed on a commercial level with exports and imports of them. Post Roman times it gets a bit murky, and all one can suggest is that there were probably slaves around at the time. Then came the Normans who enslaved the whole country, with it only ending for some, most or many following the black death in the 14thC. Slavery continued, but at a lower level, for some years, and it took a decision in the law courts to make it illegal, although it didn't stop it.

Slavery still allowed under the USA's Bill of Rights. Nice.

Slavery is a fascinating subject. It is horrible as well. Really scary and repulsive.

[Biggy Stardust]

Derek Smith said:

Slavery is a fascinating subject. It is horrible as well. Really scary and repulsive.

But the bible says it's ok.

[skyrover]

Biggy Stardust said:

Derek Smith said:

Slavery is a fascinating subject. It is horrible as well. Really scary and repulsive.

But the bible says it's ok.

The bible moved people away from slavery and ultimately resulted in it being abolished, starting with holding slave owners accountable.