Government car modification changes
Discussion
The government plans to change the law on car modification to make it difficult to do certain things without being penalised.
There is a consultation opened which closed on 22 November 2021 at 11:45pm, this has not been publicised for obvious reasons and in some ways can impact tuning packages that change the emissions of the car.
Read about it at
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/future...
To fill in the consultation, the direct link is at
https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/ETVHG5/
Motorsport fears over car modification rule changes
Plans to tighten rules on modifying cars are "ringing alarm bells", motorsport enthusiasts have warned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-59210036
KEEPING TRACK Are car modification rules changing? Drivers risk fines of up to £300 if caught
THOUSANDS of Brits enjoy revamping their vehicles and adding the latest mod cons to their cars.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/16696467/car-modif...
There is a consultation opened which closed on 22 November 2021 at 11:45pm, this has not been publicised for obvious reasons and in some ways can impact tuning packages that change the emissions of the car.
Read about it at
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/future...
To fill in the consultation, the direct link is at
https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/ETVHG5/
Motorsport fears over car modification rule changes
Plans to tighten rules on modifying cars are "ringing alarm bells", motorsport enthusiasts have warned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-59210036
KEEPING TRACK Are car modification rules changing? Drivers risk fines of up to £300 if caught
THOUSANDS of Brits enjoy revamping their vehicles and adding the latest mod cons to their cars.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/16696467/car-modif...
I guess this was inevitable as more and more stuff is added to cars to get through tighter emissions regs and most of it is so easy to just remove again, either via hardware or software.
Anyone that's tried a '21 model year sports car will know how poor they sound with the GPF in place, can't really blame enthusiasts for wanting to get rid at the first opportunity and there's plenty of choice to do just that in the aftermarket. I recently test drove the latest Macan GTS (Turbo replacement) and it sounded, well, terrible. Really quiet, hardly any V6 engine note and certainly not enough to remind you why you're burning so much petrol in it. The first thing I'd do is change the exhaust, the salesman from Porsche even said they're not that bothered about customers doing that now as they understand their latest cars are a little muted.
No doubt this rule will get passed, I'd be interested to see how it applies retrospectively though. My Clio track car is mapped, ported and flowed, on catcams, custom exhaust with 200 cell race cat....the list goes on. The original parts were likely chucked away 3 owners ago and you can't buy original parts from Renault anymore. What am I supposed to do, remove it from the road entirely?
Anyone that's tried a '21 model year sports car will know how poor they sound with the GPF in place, can't really blame enthusiasts for wanting to get rid at the first opportunity and there's plenty of choice to do just that in the aftermarket. I recently test drove the latest Macan GTS (Turbo replacement) and it sounded, well, terrible. Really quiet, hardly any V6 engine note and certainly not enough to remind you why you're burning so much petrol in it. The first thing I'd do is change the exhaust, the salesman from Porsche even said they're not that bothered about customers doing that now as they understand their latest cars are a little muted.
No doubt this rule will get passed, I'd be interested to see how it applies retrospectively though. My Clio track car is mapped, ported and flowed, on catcams, custom exhaust with 200 cell race cat....the list goes on. The original parts were likely chucked away 3 owners ago and you can't buy original parts from Renault anymore. What am I supposed to do, remove it from the road entirely?
Removal of emissions related stuff is endemic. Anyone who pipes up with a DPF related issue on a model specific group I'm on and 5-10 people suggest they smash it out and remap it and someone in the group is doing very nicely from performing that. I doubt it's any different for other model specific groups.
Same goes for removing EGR etc etc. Utterly illegal already but without any real MOT testing of diesel emissions apart from the laughable smoke test it's not being caught.
So I suggested diesels should all be tested for actual emissions and the owners both fined and have their vehicles taken off the road until fixed if they'd tampered with the emissions equipment so it failed the standards it was built to. I mean personally I'd rather they were crushed but I guess should at least offer the chance to be fixed.
Same goes for removing EGR etc etc. Utterly illegal already but without any real MOT testing of diesel emissions apart from the laughable smoke test it's not being caught.
So I suggested diesels should all be tested for actual emissions and the owners both fined and have their vehicles taken off the road until fixed if they'd tampered with the emissions equipment so it failed the standards it was built to. I mean personally I'd rather they were crushed but I guess should at least offer the chance to be fixed.
So cars get economically written off much sooner when massively complex and expensive parts fail on them, and we then need to use lots of energy to dispose of them, and then use s
tloads more energy and resources to build new ones and ship them to customers?
Sounds a bit... wasteful. Inefficient. One-eyed.
tloads more energy and resources to build new ones and ship them to customers?Sounds a bit... wasteful. Inefficient. One-eyed.
I don't think enough people will care to stop this.
Young folk don't want to drive at all, so won't protest in any great numbers. In 10 years the'll all learn in EVs anyway. Us oldies have all grown out of loud exhausts and Dimma body kits. The small number in the middle won't be a strong enough voice to protect their fart maps.
The arguments against the proposal are pretty weak. It'll stop you doing race events in your road car. Well, how many people actually do that? You don't need a race seat for any non-competitive event or trackday. Most race cars are trailered because if they were road legal they'd be uncompetitive. So that leaves the "drive to the track" race series, of which there are relatively few, and the lower classes of some sprint events. Yeah, it would be a shame for any motorsport at all to be lost, but that's a very small number of voices to protest against this change.
I don't think it would be the end of the world.
Young folk don't want to drive at all, so won't protest in any great numbers. In 10 years the'll all learn in EVs anyway. Us oldies have all grown out of loud exhausts and Dimma body kits. The small number in the middle won't be a strong enough voice to protect their fart maps.
The arguments against the proposal are pretty weak. It'll stop you doing race events in your road car. Well, how many people actually do that? You don't need a race seat for any non-competitive event or trackday. Most race cars are trailered because if they were road legal they'd be uncompetitive. So that leaves the "drive to the track" race series, of which there are relatively few, and the lower classes of some sprint events. Yeah, it would be a shame for any motorsport at all to be lost, but that's a very small number of voices to protest against this change.
I don't think it would be the end of the world.
Dingu said:
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