Oil pressure

Oil pressure

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Peter-j8c3u

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110 posts

44 months

Friday 19th November 2021
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My 4.5 has got about 14k mikes on it but my oil pressure never goes above or below 40 psi. I would’ve thought it should be 70 psi being low mileage and maybe 50 @ tickover.
I’ve noticed on cold start up the gauge goes immediately to 20 psi then a second or two later kind of ticks up to 40 psi, it’s quite mechanical, like a clock, not a sweep like I’d have expected.
It never drops pressure and the light has never come on. I will be ordering a new spring for the relief valve for peace of mind though.
Could this be a gauge problem rather than actual oil pressure?

Jhonno

6,036 posts

155 months

Friday 19th November 2021
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Could be..

Cold idle should be around 60-70psi - Hot 30-40psi

On the move 70psi+ cold, 60psi hot.

pmessling

2,308 posts

217 months

Friday 19th November 2021
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Other than changing the spring which you plan to do, the only way is to plumb in a second gauge to check.

DuncanM

6,876 posts

293 months

Friday 19th November 2021
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Hello OP, I guess the obvious questions are:

How long have you owned the car, how long has this been the case with the pressure?

When was the spring last changed?

Do you definitely have the oil topped up? They can use a lot of oil.

Does the car groan when cornering (low pressure trait).

Hope it's nothing serious.

Gazzab

21,365 posts

296 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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My first Cerbera had strange oil pressure with similar behaviour to yours. Not until the engine blew did we realise that someone had ‘mistakenly’ left old bits of relief spring in there which made the pressure look higher than it was.

Peter-j8c3u

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110 posts

44 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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I’ve not had the car long, I’ve probably done 3-400 miles so far. I definitely won’t be doing any more till I check the spring!!
I left the dipstick out before checking and the oil is fine.
I don’t know if the spring was changed but I’m going to guess it wasn’t. I haven’t got the service history with me atm to check parts lists.
It does the same thing every start up, it’s like to movements to get to 40 psi.
I don’t understand the groaning mentioned,could you expand more?

Peter-j8c3u

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110 posts

44 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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How do you quote different answers for different posters?

Gazzab

21,365 posts

296 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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You need to ensure the oil is reading at the top of the dipstick ie at max.

DuncanM

6,876 posts

293 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Peter-j8c3u said:
How do you quote different answers for different posters?
First icon in the top right that looks like a speech bubble smile

The groaning comes from the oil hose when pressure is low, you can hear it clearly so if it was you'd know. Definitely worth doing the spring as the first step, and make sure you check and remove all of the spring (if broken).

Did you buy privately or from a trader?

Peter-j8c3u

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110 posts

44 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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I searched this forum and came across the photos of the damage that broken spring caused. I take it all I can do is remove the spring that’s in there and check for any broken bits?
Can the spring be changed without draining the oil?

I’ll check the oil again, it might have been slightly below the full mark. I was worried it had been overfilled before I found out about leaving the dipstick out.

Peter-j8c3u

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110 posts

44 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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DuncanM said:
First icon in the top right that looks like a speech bubble smile

The groaning comes from the oil hose when pressure is low, you can hear it clearly so if it was you'd know. Definitely worth doing the spring as the first step, and make sure you check and remove all of the spring (if broken).

Did you buy privately or from a trader?
The one that says ‘quote’ ?
Do I have to drain the oil 1st?
Privately but the guy looked after it, he had the valve shims done and a service at a well known tvr specialist, I forget the name atm.

DuncanM

6,876 posts

293 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Peter-j8c3u said:
The one that says ‘quote’ ?
Do I have to drain the oil 1st?
Privately but the guy looked after it, he had the valve shims done and a service at a well known tvr specialist, I forget the name atm.
There will be a little bit of oil but no need to drain it.

Will be worth looking through the history and at least having a chat with the specialist mentioned smile

Peter-j8c3u

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110 posts

44 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Looks like I can get to it by removing the wheel,is that right?

It really does seem like the gauge is stiff though, I’ve been keeping my eye on the oil & water as much as the speedo & rpm gauges...obvs
As I said previously, there is no movement when it’s warm and sitting at idle.

It had a speedometer change early in its life, I wonder if it was dodgy gauges or conditions the car was kept in early on.

pmessling

2,308 posts

217 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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When I fitted my oil temp gauge I fitted a sandwich plate on the oil filter so that I could also fit a test point.

I have a digital oil and water guage, about 7 years ago the loom melted on the guage and was very erratic. However since I had fitted the test point I was able to test the pressure, replaced the loom and lal was good again. You could plump in a test point straight into the engine where the original hose goes but you'd have to remove the coil packs etc to get to it.


Peter-j8c3u

Original Poster:

110 posts

44 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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I’m not overly keen on removing all that lot, I’d rather fit a new gauge or have mine checked.

Peter-j8c3u

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110 posts

44 months

Saturday 12th March 2022
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I’m all good now, I fitted a new spring in the oil pressure relief valve and I’m getting 70psi cold start, I had to warm the engine up to open the thermostat to bleed the coolant, it goes up to 75 if I rev it a bit. I’ll report back when I’ve been out for a run and warmed the oil up properly for the hot figures.
The new spring was about 1/16 longer so must’ve weakened over time.

Mr Cerbera

5,126 posts

244 months

Sunday 20th March 2022
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Peter-j8c3u said:
My 4.5 has got about 14k mikes on it....
yikes.... yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes

That's not a Cerbera, that's a building foundation rofl

Byker28i

74,508 posts

231 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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Mr Cerbera said:
Peter-j8c3u said:
My 4.5 has got about 14k mikes on it....
yikes.... yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes

That's not a Cerbera, that's a building foundation rofl
At least it wasn't hand built by Roberts biggrin

Ice_blue_tvr

3,353 posts

178 months

Monday 21st March 2022
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How long has it done this for?

Peter-j8c3u

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110 posts

44 months

Sunday 27th March 2022
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Mr Cerbera said:
yikes.... yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes....yikes

That's not a Cerbera, that's a building foundation rofl
Lol, it won’t stay like that for long :wink: