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bitchstewie

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67,393 posts

239 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Has anyone used this please?

I'm tempted to put a percentage of the money I have invested in traditional funds and trusts into BitCoin but I really can't be bothered with setting up dedicated accounts as the intention is to just do it and then forget about it other than the occasional top-up to keep a rough allocation.

I already have a PayPal account and this looks easy and hopefully PayPal are big enough not to be too concerned about them doing anything stupid.

bongtom

2,018 posts

112 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Doesn’t that totally undermine the point of crypto?

rfisher

5,063 posts

312 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Oh ffs.

How much is this going to cost me?

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rfisher

5,063 posts

312 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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OK - read the 2 second blurb on the PP site so I'm ready to roll, lol.

Presumably all gains are subject to CGT only?

Can losses be set off against my other CGT gains?

tertius

6,914 posts

259 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Just did a quick search their transaction fees are pretty hefty:
https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees?...

bitchstewie

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67,393 posts

239 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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1.5% on transactions over a grand seemed reasonable v Coinbase and some others?

Again not looking to turn this into a trade thing just a simple way to get 1% exposure to Crypto v my other traditional investments.

CubanPete

3,802 posts

217 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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I've got a few hundred quid in PayPal crypto. As of a few days ago I am slightly up.

Watch for the buy / sell value price breaks.

It's just an in out, you can't use it to spend crypto.



tertius

6,914 posts

259 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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bhstewie said:
1.5% on transactions over a grand seemed reasonable v Coinbase and some others?

Again not looking to turn this into a trade thing just a simple way to get 1% exposure to Crypto v my other traditional investments.
Kraken would be 0.16-0.26% so quite a bit less.

I agree it’s a simple way to get exposure to the price and would be fair enough in that scenario. Revolut is another similar option.

Phooey

13,807 posts

198 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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CubanPete said:
I've got a few hundred quid in PayPal crypto. As of a few days ago I am slightly up.

Watch for the buy / sell value price breaks.

It's just an in out, you can't use it to spend crypto.
OP sorry to hijack the thread..

So within PayPal can you turn cash into Bitcoin and Bitcoin into cash? I have some money in PP (approx £1000) that I haven’t withdrawn yet… possibly would be interested to turn that into BC, if straightforward enough.

colin79666

2,215 posts

142 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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Phooey said:
OP sorry to hijack the thread..

So within PayPal can you turn cash into Bitcoin and Bitcoin into cash? I have some money in PP (approx £1000) that I haven’t withdrawn yet… possibly would be interested to turn that into BC, if straightforward enough.
Yes. Issue is you can’t then spend/withdraw the BTC. It has to be turned back into cash first so you end up paying a transaction fee twice. Nice little earner for PayPal.

bitchstewie

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67,393 posts

239 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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colin79666 said:
Yes. Issue is you can’t then spend/withdraw the BTC. It has to be turned back into cash first so you end up paying a transaction fee twice. Nice little earner for PayPal.
That makes sense though even if it's not what some people might want.

But the main thing is if I put 1% in PayPal Crypto it'll just sit there and basically track the value of Bitcoin?

I really don't care about wallets and cold storage I'd just buy an ETF if I could but I can't.

Simpo Two

92,708 posts

294 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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I wonder if 'normal investing' and 'crypto' will converge to the point that one can buy invest in a fund that invests in it? It would be rather like importing the Wild West into the Church of England but strange things can happen.

Phooey

13,807 posts

198 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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Ok, so agreed to the t's and c's and done a dummy buy..









Not sure if I'm understanding this properly, but the exchange rate seems to be approx +0.81%, plus PP Transaction fee.

Anyway, seems simple enough to do the transaction, just not sure about them fees.

bitchstewie

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67,393 posts

239 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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Phooey said:
Anyway, seems simple enough to do the transaction, just not sure about them fees.
If I were planning on buying or selling often or if there was an ongoing fee or a platform fee like with many regular investments I might be more bothered by it.

Crypto is volatile.

Personally the difference between £18 and £10 on buying a grands worth with a plan to simply hold seems like the least of my worries smile

Phooey

13,807 posts

198 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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bhstewie said:
If I were planning on buying or selling often or if there was an ongoing fee or a platform fee like with many regular investments I might be more bothered by it.

Crypto is volatile.

Personally the difference between £18 and £10 on buying a grands worth with a plan to simply hold seems like the least of my worries smile
edit: not fees - I meant exchange rate (fees) - just need to check if this is inline with normal acceptable BTC fees. Like exchanging currency - some institutions will have your pants down, whilst others are more competitive. But yes, I suppose with crypto being VERY volatile you could argue the fees are the least of the worries smile

Glad you started the thread.. I had a quick look crypto the other night and thought Mmmmmm... do I need some smile

Condi

20,317 posts

200 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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Simpo Two said:
I wonder if 'normal investing' and 'crypto' will converge to the point that one can buy invest in a fund that invests in it?
I think it already exists.


bitchstewie

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67,393 posts

239 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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Condi said:
I think it already exists.
Unfortunately not in the UK because of FCA rules.

There were a couple of Bitcoin ETFs but you can no longer buy them on common UK platforms.

Closest I've seen is ETFs that invest in businesses associated with Bitcoin or you could of course buy shares in companies like MicroStrategy.

I have no idea where PayPal stand on regulation but my assumption is they're big enough not to run off with my money.

rfisher

5,063 posts

312 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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And the CGT question?

tertius

6,914 posts

259 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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rfisher said:
And the CGT question?
Can you offset losses? Question for your accountant really but I would assume so ... I'm certainly paying tax on the gains!

rfisher

5,063 posts

312 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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tertius said:
rfisher said:
And the CGT question?
Can you offset losses? Question for your accountant really but I would assume so ... I'm certainly paying tax on the gains!
Could be a useful CGT buffer fund.

Crypto is likely to be we's knickering for quite a few years yet, so bang a PBD's worth of cash in via PP and sell some at a loss when required.

I don't suppose PP worry about CGT liability calculations, so it could be tricky to do the maffs.