No babies allowed in Commons, MP Stella Creasy told
No babies allowed in Commons, MP Stella Creasy told
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g3org3y

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214 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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article said:
An MP has said it "has to be possible for politics and parenting to mix" after being told she cannot sit in the Commons with her three-month-old son.

Labour's Stella Creasy was informed it was against the rules to bring a child to a debate at Westminster Hall after doing so on Tuesday.

She said this was "news to me" after attending debates with a baby in the past and called for a review.

The House of Commons said it was "in communication" with Ms Creasy.

The Walthamstow MP told the BBC she had regularly taken her son - who she is breastfeeding - and before him her daughter, into the Commons chamber.

But after appearing with her son at the adjoining Westminster Hall on Tuesday, she received an email from the private secretary to the chairman of the Ways and Means committee, Dame Eleanor Laing, which said this was not in line with recently published rules on "behaviour and courtesies".

The rule book, which was issued by the speaker and deputy speakers and applies to the chamber of the House of Commons and Westminster Hall, was updated in September.

It says: "You should not take your seat in the chamber when accompanied by your child, nor stand at either end of the Chamber, between divisions." The same wording was also used in a previous version of the rule book.

But another MP, Alex Davies-Jones, said she had been assured by Commons Speaker Lindsay Hoyle that if she needed to breastfeed her child in the chamber she could do so.

Ms Creasy said this was "not a system that works for anyone who isn't a man of a certain age from a certain background".

"I don't have maternity cover - I don't have the employment rights to have maternity cover," she said, adding the situation as it stands "is bad for our democracy".
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59396801

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

67 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Is her salary insufficient for a nanny or nursery?

MDMetal

3,364 posts

171 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Quite right, it's nothing to do about gender or being a mum. My workplace doesn't let me look after my kids while they paying me to work either. A non story being drummed up again to hint at discrimination where non exists

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

219 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Biggy Stardust said:
Is her salary insufficient for a nanny or nursery?
A wet nurse? She’s breastfeeding and claims to have no access to maternity pay/leave.

I’m all for rubbishing stories when no such story exists but if a mother wants to breast feed you have to make provisions for that (yes I know, so should the mother before deciding to have child with no mat support but still…)

greygoose

9,387 posts

218 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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MDMetal said:
Quite right, it's nothing to do about gender or being a mum. My workplace doesn't let me look after my kids while they paying me to work either. A non story being drummed up again to hint at discrimination where non exists
Breastfeeding would seem to be pretty much solely about being a woman and a mum.

InitialDave

14,347 posts

142 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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I can't see an infant being any more disruptive than those who were voted in there.

OldGermanHeaps

4,959 posts

201 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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You can express into bottles if you choose to go to work.
Running the country is too important to be disturbed by crying babies.

Disastrous

10,202 posts

240 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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OldGermanHeaps said:
You can express into bottles if you choose to go to work.
Running the country is too important to be disturbed by crying babies.
How have you managed access PH from Victorian times??

greygoose

9,387 posts

218 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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InitialDave said:
I can't see an infant being any more disruptive than those who were voted in there.
So true.

DMN

3,041 posts

162 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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OldGermanHeaps said:
You can express into bottles if you choose to go to work.
Running the country is too important to be disturbed by crying babies.
What about hiding in Country Houses writing books to pay for a divorce?

Asking for a floppy haired friend.

MDMetal

3,364 posts

171 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Disastrous said:
OldGermanHeaps said:
You can express into bottles if you choose to go to work.
Running the country is too important to be disturbed by crying babies.
How have you managed access PH from Victorian times??
? You realise there are many many reasons women have to express that may or may not be related to work? It's a perfectly viable solution. Many women are unable or unwilling to breastfeed. To go back to my first point this is yet another classic "my beliefs are important and you all need to accommodate them" which is nonsense because nobody would give a stuff if she worked the tills at Tesco

Gweeds

7,954 posts

75 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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If she worked at Tesco she’d qualify for maternity leave.

As an MP she doesn’t. God forbid she should be able to breastfeed her own baby.


ScotHill

3,875 posts

132 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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She gets maternity leave and pay, but there's no provision for cover at work, so the constituency would go unrepresented, is the argument. Mothers have taken babies into the Commons before without problem.

anonymous-user

77 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Gweeds said:
If she worked at Tesco she’d qualify for maternity leave.

As an MP she doesn’t. God forbid she should be able to breastfeed her own baby.
No maternity leave is a pretty dumb position, although as an mp she could just not do anything and no one would notice.

They do have an on site nursery, which is more than most places of work

JagLover

46,041 posts

258 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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InitialDave said:
I can't see an infant being any more disruptive than those who were voted in there.
Perhaps they are worried about a baby showing them up.

Vipers

33,426 posts

251 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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JagLover said:
InitialDave said:
I can't see an infant being any more disruptive than those who were voted in there.
Perhaps they are worried about a baby showing them up.
Can’t see as one more tit in there would be noticed biggrin

MDMetal

3,364 posts

171 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Gweeds said:
If she worked at Tesco she’d qualify for maternity leave.

As an MP she doesn’t. God forbid she should be able to breastfeed her own baby.
Plenty of other women can't for personal or medical reasons, of course she has the right to make that choice but I don't see why that gives her the right to take her child into the workplace or I'll turn up to the office with my daughter and a day's worth of bottled milk, fair is fair no?

ZedLeg

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131 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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If it doesn't interfere with your days work it wouldn't be an issue surely?

Before we all started working from home people at my work would bring their kids into the office if they had to.

Electro1980

8,922 posts

162 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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The thing is, it’s not really a job. It’s not really a workplace. In my opinion Parliament should be representative. There should be no right, or need, for maternity leave beyond the 6 weeks recovery, but mothers should be allowed to bring babies in to Westminster. The people who elected her should get their representative and the chamber should be representative. It is not the same as an office or construction site. Never mind rights of the mother or child, just simply to ensure democratic representation infants should be allowed to be taken in to the chamber, or anywhere else.

MDMetal

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171 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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ZedLeg said:
If it doesn't interfere with your days work it wouldn't be an issue surely?

Before we all started working from home people at my work would bring their kids into the office if they had to.
But of course it would interfere as it does with her's. That point is a non starter.