MP suggests a female Dr Who is why men turn to crime

[bitchstewie]

Because there really aren't enough male role models are there.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/14638726228...

What's his username

[dundarach]

Doesn't represent any party I voted for....

[Hoofy]

He's right, about two years ago no men committed crime.

[bitchstewie]

Good grief

[Vanden Saab]

bhstewie said:

Good grief

I know, imagine having to release a statement to point this out because the media tried to suggest he said something different. Oh wait, that is not what you meant at all is it.
Why should young males not have good role models?

[bitchstewie]

Vanden Saab said:

I know, imagine having to release a statement to point this out because the media tried to suggest he said something different. Oh wait, that is not what you meant at all is it.
Why should young males not have good role models?

They should and they do.

The Equalizer being played by Queen Latifah and Dr Who being played by Jodie Whittaker doesn't mean that boys don't already have absolutely stloads of positive role models to look up to.

[Electro1980]

I’d say there are a lot of negative roll models around for boys. Most of the ones I can think of in films are unhealthy examples of toxic masculinity.

[dundarach]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Name some, it’s surprisingly hard.

And just to help, every superhero needs to be ruled out, because at the core they’re all violent vigilantes.

FWIW, I wholeheartedly agree with the MPs statement above and absolutely think boys and young men need positive male role models both onscreen and in real life.

Really?

Just a very quick example - YouGov Top 20 Celebs based on opinion of them:

1Morgan FreemanMorgan Freeman95%82%

2Tom HanksTom Hanks95%80%

3Robert De NiroRobert De Niro95%80%

4Sean ConnerySean Connery97%79%

5Rowan AtkinsonRowan Atkinson98%79%

6Steven SpielbergSteven Spielberg95%79%

7Harrison FordHarrison Ford93%78%

8David AttenboroughDavid Attenborough95%78%

9Judi DenchJudi Dench90%77%

10Samuel L. JacksonSamuel L. Jackson92%77%

11Anthony HopkinsAnthony Hopkins91%77%

12Helen MirrenHelen Mirren94%75%

13Danny DeVitoDanny DeVito94%75%

14Colin FirthColin Firth91%74%

15Hugh JackmanHugh Jackman93%74%

16Pierce BrosnanPierce Brosnan95%73%

17Bruce WillisBruce Willis97%73%

18Will SmithWill Smith98%73%

19Trevor McDonaldTrevor McDonald93%73%

20Meryl StreepMeryl Streep94%73%

17 out of 20 men

YouGov music top 20 - women solo 7 / 10 male solo of male only groups / 3 mixed

YouGov sports 3 women \ 1 mixed \ 16 men

I suspect there's few categories which are reversed.

Boys and men need to be told stop acting like dick heads and grow up more!

[Gecko1978]

Fictional male role models - bob the builder, Jeffery from Rainbox, Dr Dolittle - I am sure there are hundreds more non violent wholesome role modles in fact there are millions we usually call them Dad

[toasty]

Electro1980 said:

I’d say there are a lot of negative roll models around for boys. Most of the ones I can think of in films are unhealthy examples of toxic masculinity.

Sausage Roll models?

[bitchstewie]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Name some, it’s surprisingly hard.

And just to help, every superhero needs to be ruled out, because at the core they’re all violent vigilantes.

FWIW, I wholeheartedly agree with the MPs statement above and absolutely think boys and young men need positive male role models both onscreen and in real life.

Rashford leap to mind.

Or the England football team who acted as role models when they protested against racism at the Euros.

There will be others in TV film and music and I'm out of touch there but I'm sure there are more to choose from than the Krays and Tommy Shelby.

Boys need positive role models but I don't think that Jodie Whittacker as Dr Who and a bad remake of Ghostbusters means there's nobody for young boys to look up to.

[Randy Winkman]

bhstewie said:

Or the England football team who acted as role models when they protested against racism at the Euros.

I like it. Even when they were trying to do good some people booed them. Mostly men, I'd guess.

[anonymous-user]

Why do role models for boys have to be male? Or vice versa? It's the same as saying that role models have to be the same ethnicity too, I don't really think that has to be the case at all.

There are lots of women who I admire immensely for their work, especially writers. I remember reading books when I was little that had a female protagonist and had no issue with relating to the character or characters.

[anonymous-user]

So how many people knew today was International Mens Day?

International Womens day gets plastered all over the media but only because an MP said something which ended up in the media has International Mens day got a mention.

[Countdown]

gottans said:

So how many people knew today was International Mens Day?

I remember vaguely reading about it but, much like any other "International" Day, I didn't care. I don't know why we need one.

[Hoofy]

Newarch said:

Why do role models for boys have to be male? Or vice versa? It's the same as saying that role models have to be the same ethnicity too, I don't really think that has to be the case at all.

There are lots of women who I admire immensely for their work, especially writers. I remember reading books when I was little that had a female protagonist and had no issue with relating to the character or characters.

Good point!

[austinsmirk]

You can’t pretend to be superman anymore.

That’s a 1970’s boy’s childhood ruined.

[bitchstewie]

Randy Winkman said:

I like it. Even when they were trying to do good some people booed them. Mostly men, I'd guess.

Quite a few on here.

I wonder how many of the ones who said it was definitely right to boo them for protesting against racism also think boys don't have enough positive male role models to look up to.

[PurplePangolin]

Newarch said:

Why do role models for boys have to be male? Or vice versa? It's the same as saying that role models have to be the same ethnicity too, I don't really think that has to be the case at all.

There are lots of women who I admire immensely for their work, especially writers. I remember reading books when I was little that had a female protagonist and had no issue with relating to the character or characters.

We’re a generation of men raised by women. I’m wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.

[Randy Winkman]

PurplePangolin said:

Newarch said:

Why do role models for boys have to be male? Or vice versa? It's the same as saying that role models have to be the same ethnicity too, I don't really think that has to be the case at all.

There are lots of women who I admire immensely for their work, especially writers. I remember reading books when I was little that had a female protagonist and had no issue with relating to the character or characters.

We’re a generation of men raised by women. I’m wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.

Some people say that it's the natural course of things for offspring to be raised by women rather than men. And that's why women should accept that the men get to most of the better paid jobs.