Squabble Turns into a Killing in the USA
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I can't embed it, and maybe it's better that I don't. It's video of a squabble that turns into a killing in America, of course.
Seems so mundane, I thought it was fake, but it's real.
Video:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1463941917754941449
Story:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chad-read-s-w...
The lawyers are going to have a profitable time working out if it was self defence or not. I certainly know where I place the moral blame.
Seems so mundane, I thought it was fake, but it's real.
Video:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1463941917754941449
Story:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chad-read-s-w...
The lawyers are going to have a profitable time working out if it was self defence or not. I certainly know where I place the moral blame.
OpulentBob said:
Angry man with a gun is going away for a long time, IMO. Shooting at his feet first, and then 2 shots straight to the body after a small amount of pushing?
But why are the (presumably) ex-wife and (presumably) new wife not hysterical and screaming having just witnessed that?!
Is it real? Almost looks staged But why are the (presumably) ex-wife and (presumably) new wife not hysterical and screaming having just witnessed that?!
OpulentBob said:
Angry man with a gun is going away for a long time, IMO. Shooting at his feet first, and then 2 shots straight to the body after a small amount of pushing?
Doubt it, that's exactly the kind of situation American gun laws have in mind, Almost text book self and property defence.Countdown said:
dxg said:
Why am I supposed to care about this?
It's pretty f
king shocking, don't you think?The Americans act like this all the time. Agree as to why anyone else should care.
Sheets Tabuer said:
OpulentBob said:
Angry man with a gun is going away for a long time, IMO. Shooting at his feet first, and then 2 shots straight to the body after a small amount of pushing?
Doubt it, that's exactly the kind of situation American gun laws have in mind, Almost text book self and property defence.https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-law-basi...
OpulentBob said:
Angry man with a gun is going away for a long time, IMO. Shooting at his feet first, and then 2 shots straight to the body after a small amount of pushing?
But why are the (presumably) ex-wife and (presumably) new wife not hysterical and screaming having just witnessed that?!
Because people only know the "Hollywood reaction" to situations like this. Look at the people in the video of the hospital bombing in Liverpool recently.....people were just standing around looking. But why are the (presumably) ex-wife and (presumably) new wife not hysterical and screaming having just witnessed that?!
PurplePangolin said:
OpulentBob said:
Angry man with a gun is going away for a long time, IMO. Shooting at his feet first, and then 2 shots straight to the body after a small amount of pushing?
But why are the (presumably) ex-wife and (presumably) new wife not hysterical and screaming having just witnessed that?!
Is it real? Almost looks staged But why are the (presumably) ex-wife and (presumably) new wife not hysterical and screaming having just witnessed that?!
Sheets Tabuer said:
OpulentBob said:
Angry man with a gun is going away for a long time, IMO. Shooting at his feet first, and then 2 shots straight to the body after a small amount of pushing?
Doubt it, that's exactly the kind of situation American gun laws have in mind, Almost text book self and property defence.This was clearly a dispute over child visitation. These things, in a civilised, society are sorted through the courts, not via firearms.
OpulentBob said:
But why are the (presumably) ex-wife and (presumably) new wife not hysterical and screaming having just witnessed that?!
That's one of the (many) things I find so shocking. They just carry on arguing exactly as before. No ambulance call, no pulse checking. Just *shrug* and carry on.Not sure I'd expect dramatics, but I would expect some urgent actions. Weird.
AJL308 said:
The guy with the rifle escalated the situation.
It's his property, it is his right to defend it, he even fired a warning shot to the guy, once he tried to wrestle the gun off him they entered a life and death situation.He could have walked away, he chose to try to wrestle a gun off someone and lost.
l354uge said:
He's going away, he gained space after shooting at his feet, paused, and then shot him dead. Other guy had no weapon.
Of course if he's working for the right company/force/government he'll walk.
I suppose his argument would be that he believed that he was going to come for him and take the gun. He'd have reason to back that up as he already seems to have tried to take it. Of course if he's working for the right company/force/government he'll walk.
Although escalating an argument and child visits by introducing a gun is f
king mental. He didn't introduce the gun as a response to a threat (it would appear) but rather as a tool to win the argument. l354uge said:
He's going away, he gained space after shooting at his feet, paused, and then shot him dead. Other guy had no weapon.
Of course if he's working for the right company/force/government he'll walk.
Depends on how you look at it.Of course if he's working for the right company/force/government he'll walk.
Small guy says "get off my property". Big guy basically says "Screw you".
Small guy then gets rifle and big guy doesn't get intimidated, even tries to take the rifle off him. Big guy is clearly much stronger.
Small guy is humiliated on his own property in front of his wife and shoots big guy.
If the big guy had been black I'm pretty sure EVERYBODY would have been saying it was his fault for being so stupid and aggressive.
Kyle Rittenhouse - compare and contrast
Sheets Tabuer said:
It's his property, it is his right to defend it, he even fired a warning shot to the guy, once he tried to wrestle the gun off him they entered a life and death situation.
He could have walked away, he chose to try to wrestle a gun off someone and lost.
They both could have walked away though. I think the law of this is going to turn out to be very complicated.He could have walked away, he chose to try to wrestle a gun off someone and lost.
Personally, (morally) I'd be sending the Guy with black hair away for life but I've no idea what the legal situation is. ...but what a cock the blue shirt guy is - getting in the face of someone with a gun.
Sheets Tabuer said:
AJL308 said:
The guy with the rifle escalated the situation.
It's his property, it is his right to defend it, he even fired a warning shot to the guy, once he tried to wrestle the gun off him they entered a life and death situation.He could have walked away, he chose to try to wrestle a gun off someone and lost.
They are both massive man-children in that video. Sensible people just stay inside the house and call the cops. If he tried to break in then, yeah, shoot him.
This the land of the overgrown child though so pretty much a common situation.
l354uge said:
He's going away, he gained space after shooting at his feet, paused, and then shot him dead. Other guy had no weapon.
Of course if he's working for the right company/force/government he'll walk.
He didn't gain space, the dead guy came towards him and threatened to take the gun off him if he didn't use it. He also tries to intimidate him by towering over him.Of course if he's working for the right company/force/government he'll walk.
He could argue in the heat of the moment he felt threatened on his own property after he'd asked them to leave previously.
Not as clear cut as people think.
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