JFK: Destiny betrayed
Discussion
Four part series on Sky Documentaries. I watched the first ep and found it riveting.
Two politicians in the car behind the president (both WW2 veterans) both told Bobby Kennedy that they were caught in a crossfire. First thing Bobby does is ring the head of the CIA and ask if they had owt to do with it, brilliant.
Two politicians in the car behind the president (both WW2 veterans) both told Bobby Kennedy that they were caught in a crossfire. First thing Bobby does is ring the head of the CIA and ask if they had owt to do with it, brilliant.
I watched the first episode. Always found it fascinating. I have no doubt Oslwald was in the book depository and capable of taking the shot. But there is so much more to it than nutter lone gunman.
The Kennedys weren't popular with a lot of the CIA and I would be surprised if someone was involved.
I did find this programme very one sided and bit full of confirmation bias. I hope they have balance in the coming episodes
The Kennedys weren't popular with a lot of the CIA and I would be surprised if someone was involved.
I did find this programme very one sided and bit full of confirmation bias. I hope they have balance in the coming episodes
Gompo said:
I'm yet to see the original JFK film from Oliver Stone but I have read numerous times it is quite inaccurate.
Is this more of the same? I saw the documentary series advertised and was quite tempted, but then saw it was Oliver Stone.
I also read the same. But what parts are inaccurate. There is so much spin. Nobody knows what is and isnt the truth. IMO LHO probably fired shots. May have even hit JFK. But there were other shots fired from elsewhere.Is this more of the same? I saw the documentary series advertised and was quite tempted, but then saw it was Oliver Stone.
Apparently there is some contention over the magic bullet theory, in that the position of the seat in front of JFK in the Lincoln was incorrect and one bullet could have gone through his throat and hit the bloke sat in front of him.
That said, I still reckon someone else near the grassy knoll fired the kill shot.
That said, I still reckon someone else near the grassy knoll fired the kill shot.
I recently read this article by the author of a book on the history of the CIA:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-fea...
Heavily downplays Oliver Stone's ability to be in any way objective due to his obsession with Jim Garrison's crusade.
Not the first time I've seen Stone's work criticised, so anyone watching should probably bear it in mind, no matter how convincing he seems.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-fea...
Heavily downplays Oliver Stone's ability to be in any way objective due to his obsession with Jim Garrison's crusade.
Not the first time I've seen Stone's work criticised, so anyone watching should probably bear it in mind, no matter how convincing he seems.
I mentioned this elsewhere on PH last year - there was a documentary on terrestrial TV putting forward the theory that one of the secret service guys in the following car accidentally fired his rifle at JFK as he reacted very quickly, standing up in the car on hearing the first shot from Oswald up in the book depository.
glennzo said:
I recently read this article by the author of a book on the history of the CIA:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-fea...
Heavily downplays Oliver Stone's ability to be in any way objective due to his obsession with Jim Garrison's crusade.
Not the first time I've seen Stone's work criticised, so anyone watching should probably bear it in mind, no matter how convincing he seems.
Indeed. The film 'JFK' was full of inaccuracies but many people took it as fact. It's quite worrying how easily a lot people are swayed.https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-fea...
Heavily downplays Oliver Stone's ability to be in any way objective due to his obsession with Jim Garrison's crusade.
Not the first time I've seen Stone's work criticised, so anyone watching should probably bear it in mind, no matter how convincing he seems.
Lotusgone said:
Apparently there is some contention over the magic bullet theory, in that the position of the seat in front of JFK in the Lincoln was incorrect and one bullet could have gone through his throat and hit the bloke sat in front of him.
That said, I still reckon someone else near the grassy knoll fired the kill shot.
Because of the shells found in the book store depository they had to make up the magic bullet theory, which was magically found in perfect condition. The amount of medical experts who have gone back and looked at the evidence and come to the opposite conclusion of the Warren postmortum is large..That said, I still reckon someone else near the grassy knoll fired the kill shot.
I've watched a few things on this incident, I think the killing shots came from the storm drain in front of the car, I can't recall the book or programme I agree with which went into the details.
I still have the last ep left to watch, it's been very good, especially the talking heads talking about the primary evidence.
P5BNij said:
I mentioned this elsewhere on PH last year - there was a documentary on terrestrial TV putting forward the theory that one of the secret service guys in the following car accidentally fired his rifle at JFK as he reacted very quickly, standing up in the car on hearing the first shot from Oswald up in the book depository.
I saw that and it did seem quite compelling but it turns out it's a fairly well known theory and I've read articles that debunked it which were equally compelling. I don't know enough about the subject matter to decide either way.Many years ago I read a thing that stated the bloke seated next to JFK, (the Governor of Texas?) was also responsible for having LHO thrown out of the army so he was in fact the intended target that day. I'm not sure about that one, it seems plausible but if I was intent on killing someone I'd probably not do it whilst they are sitting next to the President of the United States.
I haven't watched this or any other programmes regarding the assassination of JFK in the last couple of decades, and I an aware of the many theories that have been put out there in the intervening years, but one thing that does strike me is that the kill shot/s were amazing. Hitting a moving target at that range was in my opinion either very lucky, or the work of a highly skilled sniper. Not something I would expect of your average former Marine or infantryman. no one seems to mention this. Or am I wrong?
johnymac said:
I haven't watched this or any other programmes regarding the assassination of JFK in the last couple of decades, and I an aware of the many theories that have been put out there in the intervening years, but one thing that does strike me is that the kill shot/s were amazing. Hitting a moving target at that range was in my opinion either very lucky, or the work of a highly skilled sniper. Not something I would expect of your average former Marine or infantryman. no one seems to mention this. Or am I wrong?
Another disputed fact mentioned in Oliver Stones JFK. It was alleged that LHO had 'maggies draw'. In other words he couldnt shoot straight. But I believe the FBI or some such other agency attempted it with some success. But if it was an accurate representation of what happened I dont know. And if LHO really couldnt shoot straight it wouldnt matter anyway would it. Mark V GTD said:
It wasn’t a library. The building was, at that time, leased by a school text book distribution firm and was in effect a warehouse and offices.
The sixth floor is now a museum, everything being faithfully re-created to show it was on the day of the assassination, including Oswald not being there and you’re not allowed near the window, ‘There’s no f
king way!’*- Courtesy of Bill Hicks.
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