CBR 600F Vs Chimaera, any biker to enlight ?
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I have just joined this site and am looking at a few chimaeras at the moment, I have driven one but with the owner being a old family relative I didn't exactly spank it.
What I am looking to find out is what is the performance of the 400 chim compapred to my old cbr600f, I know the experience is going to be totally different but are there any bikers or car drivers who have been on a few bikes who know difference if there is any.
What I am looking to find out is what is the performance of the 400 chim compapred to my old cbr600f, I know the experience is going to be totally different but are there any bikers or car drivers who have been on a few bikes who know difference if there is any.
Well the Chimaera will clearly dispose of the MX5 in second gear but as for bikes, well, I think we all know where we are beat 
Short of spending a couple of hundred thousand £ I'm not sure many cars come within touching distance of bikes do they?
You will find that TVR has some kind of affinity to bikers though, I often get a nod from the bikers around here, I've heard say before that TVR is the closest thing you can get to biking on 4 wheels.
Short of spending a couple of hundred thousand £ I'm not sure many cars come within touching distance of bikes do they? You will find that TVR has some kind of affinity to bikers though, I often get a nod from the bikers around here, I've heard say before that TVR is the closest thing you can get to biking on 4 wheels.
I used to have a CBR600F (V reg lightweight chasis) I kept falling off it hence selling it and buying a TVR!
I think you get more of a sensation of acceleration on the bike, but in actual fact I think my Chim 500 would out run a CBR600 over a decent distance.
Straight off the lights I think the bike might be a bit quicker, but I think over 1/4 mile the Chim would catch up and pass by!
With the TVR, you get more of a sensation of power, it doesn't matter too much what gear you are in or what your revs are, you have so much torque you get away with a lot, with the bike it seems important to be in the right power band!
I think you get more of a sensation of acceleration on the bike, but in actual fact I think my Chim 500 would out run a CBR600 over a decent distance.
Straight off the lights I think the bike might be a bit quicker, but I think over 1/4 mile the Chim would catch up and pass by!
With the TVR, you get more of a sensation of power, it doesn't matter too much what gear you are in or what your revs are, you have so much torque you get away with a lot, with the bike it seems important to be in the right power band!
I always used to bottle it tonking round A road bends when racing M powered BMWs and porkers, the slight curve at 50mph turns into major understeer with 120mph, changing up to 4th and a sound like the world is ending whilst saying " don't let that jumped up rich brat do you ".
So unless I was pretty much straight I wouldn't twist the grip all the way for fear of flying off the black and into the green. Motorways great fun. Turns out I feel off doing 20mph and a nice bit of sheet ice at a cross road. One broken hand and 6 months off playing rugby and decided cars were deffinately my first love, just hard to beat a bike for bang/buck.
So unless I was pretty much straight I wouldn't twist the grip all the way for fear of flying off the black and into the green. Motorways great fun. Turns out I feel off doing 20mph and a nice bit of sheet ice at a cross road. One broken hand and 6 months off playing rugby and decided cars were deffinately my first love, just hard to beat a bike for bang/buck.
As a current biker/4.0 chim owner there is no question that the bike, even an old cbf 600, will accelerate faster but the feeling under hard acceleration is better on the car as you are being pushed by the seat rather than being pulled by the bars (hanging on when you have no fairing!).
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Off the line would be a different story mind you!Pretty much any decent bike willsee off a car ecept when it comes to corners. I have had a few good blats up against bike in my 400HC and on a straight the bike left me however as soon as we hit a twisty section I was back onit. Take the road from Silverstone to aylesbury great rod for chim bike battle.
agreed but only in a straight line....you have to be a real hero to out corner a performance car on a bike - did anyone see Ian Mckensie get mullered by that 911 - fast down the straights but not so quick around the corners...the car just has so much more grip than the bike...the main advantage on the bike is you can overtake where the car couldn't...
snorky said:
agreed but only in a straight line....you have to be a real hero to out corner a performance car on a bike - did anyone see Ian Mckensie get mullered by that 911 - fast down the straights but not so quick around the corners...the car just has so much more grip than the bike...the main advantage on the bike is you can overtake where the car couldn't...
It's not so much the grip - it is the brakes!! In a car you car really slam them on as and when you like - on a bike it's a whole different ball game - you really need to plan ahead all of the time and ensure that you brake only in a straight line ( well most of the time ). It is also important to have a real good feel for the throttle - if you dont well then it can get very hairy indeed!
I have a Chimaera and a 996 Ducati which has had a full exhaust race system, chip, race filters etcetera. A few weeks back I had a go with a new shaped STI on some nice open A roads in Shropshire. He got into a number of bends too hot and after a few miles backed off. I slowed and he gave me a thumbs up as he turned off onto a side road - I enjoyed but after you think "silly bugger" why did I do that? I have also raced a B10 a couple of years ago on my then bike - a 748 SPS.
Again it was on good quality A roads and lasted for approx 15 mins. I must admit that when I pulled into the local pub carpark I was glad to take a break. The guy pulled in too and we had a good old chat about it. Being smooth is the key.
By the way Ian was only done on the last chicane as he had to break a lot sooner than the 911.
Cheers
SPS
I pulled onto a dual carridgeway once with a CBR (presumably 600) right beside me. We were level pegging until we approached some traffic 1/2 mile away and I backed off. I was even gaining ground once we slipped (only slightly officer) over the speed limit.
Maybe he wasn't trying, he gave a big thumbs up though.
Ian A.
Maybe he wasn't trying, he gave a big thumbs up though.
Ian A.
tonyf said:
Tried this with a mate who owned a cbr600 when I had my 400hc chim at bruntingthorpe and from the start the bike was gone.... untill I hit 2nd gear then started reeling him in and passed him at around 90mph in 3rd.
Hi Guys.
I seem to be defending the bikers here.
Don't forget that we are talking about a middle weight bike - as good as the CBR is it's not a focused super sport. If you did the same with a 1000cc bike you could well see the results some what different! Take the now oldish R1. around 150 bhp in a package that weighs in at some 170Kgs. Many of these standard bikes will do sub 3 sec 0 - 60 times - no cluttch left but what the hell - ha!
Cheers
sps
I can not believe that my griff is faster then a ss 600. At any speed. I got a hoghly tuned ducati 916, which is only used for races. And even my duc has difficulties with a ss 600 even a standard one. I am sure my ducati destroys my griff any gear or roll on. Sure a good ss 600 will do the same. Different league.
I had a Chim 450 and at the same time 'er indoors had a CBR600F-Y
The bike is quicker off the mark as you would expect and pretty much in every gear but when the road gets anything like twisty you dont lose that much space at all. The bike does have to be thrashed like a ginger step child mind you, its not an easy win.
Its a different experience of speed I reckon, not so much like stepping on a moving travelator like a bike more grabbing the scenery and pulling it toward you.
Equally breathtaking though.
The bike is quicker off the mark as you would expect and pretty much in every gear but when the road gets anything like twisty you dont lose that much space at all. The bike does have to be thrashed like a ginger step child mind you, its not an easy win.
Its a different experience of speed I reckon, not so much like stepping on a moving travelator like a bike more grabbing the scenery and pulling it toward you.
Equally breathtaking though.
The bike does have to be thrashed like a ginger step child mind you,
I have ZX9R (97) and chim 400. Been riding bikes 16 years now and can't say any car would keep up with me as so used to the old girl now, without trying to sound like a complete burk. And to be honest I get the sweaty palms just looking at my chim. All previous Trevs I have owned have this habit of bouncing around if the road is a bit rough which I have to say is a little worrying at times whereas the bike has always been solid as a rock. Never thought I would say it in my lifetime though but the chim does sound better than me bike! There said it.
Big difference in life though is bikers and TVR owners have they're toys because we love the driving experience and hence we stick together a wee bit more than the majority of Volvo drivers IMHO
I have ZX9R (97) and chim 400. Been riding bikes 16 years now and can't say any car would keep up with me as so used to the old girl now, without trying to sound like a complete burk. And to be honest I get the sweaty palms just looking at my chim. All previous Trevs I have owned have this habit of bouncing around if the road is a bit rough which I have to say is a little worrying at times whereas the bike has always been solid as a rock. Never thought I would say it in my lifetime though but the chim does sound better than me bike! There said it.
Big difference in life though is bikers and TVR owners have they're toys because we love the driving experience and hence we stick together a wee bit more than the majority of Volvo drivers IMHO
genuine question - would a tiv (or another big power car) be able to do quite a few of these full on standing-start runs, and presumably hard braking one after the other without getting worn out - clutch, LSD (if it has one) brakes etc?
seems to me bikes are much better able to do this all day long, but i might be wrong
edit: my 95 cbr900 does 0-100 in around 7 secs
>> Edited by hugoagogo on Monday 1st August 21:16
seems to me bikes are much better able to do this all day long, but i might be wrong
edit: my 95 cbr900 does 0-100 in around 7 secs
>> Edited by hugoagogo on Monday 1st August 21:16
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