Tonbridge town-wide 20mph zone
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I was surprised that Tonbridge has adopted a town-wide 20mph zone, when I visited yesterday. But even the slowest drivers were not obeying this new 20mph limit - everyone was speeding.
https://www.kent.gov.uk/roads-and-travel/road-proj...
This 20mph zoning is spreading fast across Kent. This policy is likely to be applied nationally in the near future.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/more-kent-t...
Intelligent Speed Assist coming in July this year, will effectively force drivers to obey ever-lower speed limits (or be nagged incessantly).
Are we ready for these low speed zones to proliferate across our cities, towns and villages? Do we care? Is there anything we can do to resist them?
https://www.kent.gov.uk/roads-and-travel/road-proj...
This 20mph zoning is spreading fast across Kent. This policy is likely to be applied nationally in the near future.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/more-kent-t...
Intelligent Speed Assist coming in July this year, will effectively force drivers to obey ever-lower speed limits (or be nagged incessantly).
Are we ready for these low speed zones to proliferate across our cities, towns and villages? Do we care? Is there anything we can do to resist them?
Saw exactly the same in Tonbridge over New Year. As you say, people sleep walking into an unenforceable ridiculous situation ... until technology enforces it and it’s too late.
Most folks have run out of time as speed limit recognition mandated in new cars from this summer and order book waiting lists much longer than that .... just wait until the e-App tells you where, when and how you go somewhere- and ‘if’.
Most folks have run out of time as speed limit recognition mandated in new cars from this summer and order book waiting lists much longer than that .... just wait until the e-App tells you where, when and how you go somewhere- and ‘if’.
bigothunter said:
Intelligent Speed Assist coming in July this year, will effectively force drivers to obey ever-lower speed limits (or be nagged incessantly).
You will be able to over-ride this feature initially.bigothunter said:
Are we ready for these low speed zones to proliferate across our cities, towns and villages? Do we care? Is there anything we can do to resist them?
Vote with your feet and don't visit or shop in those towns with extensive 20 mph zones.speedking31 said:
bigothunter said:
Intelligent Speed Assist coming in July this year, will effectively force drivers to obey ever-lower speed limits (or be nagged incessantly).
You will be able to over-ride this feature initially.speedking31 said:
bigothunter said:
Are we ready for these low speed zones to proliferate across our cities, towns and villages? Do we care? Is there anything we can do to resist them?
Vote with your feet and don't visit or shop in those towns with extensive 20 mph zones.I won't buy a car with one of those ridiculous limiters. All my cars will last a long time and any replacement will now be as young as possible, but not post July 2022 (well for as long as possible anyway). If the car market is hit hard enough, maybe the government will reconsider the pathetic move to copy the EU's directive.
bigothunter said:
speedking31 said:
bigothunter said:
Intelligent Speed Assist coming in July this year, will effectively force drivers to obey ever-lower speed limits (or be nagged incessantly).
You will be able to over-ride this feature initially.speedking31 said:
bigothunter said:
Are we ready for these low speed zones to proliferate across our cities, towns and villages? Do we care? Is there anything we can do to resist them?
Vote with your feet and don't visit or shop in those towns with extensive 20 mph zones.The 20mph thing has been happening in London boroughs for a good 5-or-so years now and even cyclists are ignoring it. It's a ridiculous speed to travel at in a motor vehicle. It's hard to concentrate because the gaps between required driver input are so enormous that you start thinking about other things.
TheInternet said:
ingenieur said:
The 20mph thing has been happening in London boroughs for a good 5-or-so years now and even cyclists are ignoring it.
Speed limits don't generally apply to cyclists. Lots of tailgating and sketchy overtakes on the 20mph roads near me these days.
To be fair if I found myself in Tonbridge I'd be driving as fast as I can to get out of there....
On a serious note, the twenty's plenty movement has its merits but it should not be taken that every 30mph zone should become a 20mph zone, for some roads it feels right, for others it feels far too slow.
Finally, if they are obviously too low for the road people are more likely to completely ignore than if left at 30. IMHO
On a serious note, the twenty's plenty movement has its merits but it should not be taken that every 30mph zone should become a 20mph zone, for some roads it feels right, for others it feels far too slow.
Finally, if they are obviously too low for the road people are more likely to completely ignore than if left at 30. IMHO
20 mph zones were bought in in some parts of Edinburgh a few years ago, and the council have expanded the zones over the last few years. I think the thinking is that, if the limit is 30mph, everyone does 35. If it's 20mph, everyone does 25, and people have a better chance to survive if they are hit. I will add, very few people actually stick to the 20.
My work car showed that before the 20mph limit came in, my average sped in Edinburgh was 13mph - after, it was 11mph, so not a huge difference. The PITA is when you have to cross the city and it seems to take for ever.
My work car showed that before the 20mph limit came in, my average sped in Edinburgh was 13mph - after, it was 11mph, so not a huge difference. The PITA is when you have to cross the city and it seems to take for ever.
ingenieur said:
TheInternet said:
ingenieur said:
The 20mph thing has been happening in London boroughs for a good 5-or-so years now and even cyclists are ignoring it.
Speed limits don't generally apply to cyclists. Lots of tailgating and sketchy overtakes on the 20mph roads near me these days.
ingenieur said:
TheInternet said:
ingenieur said:
The 20mph thing has been happening in London boroughs for a good 5-or-so years now and even cyclists are ignoring it.
Speed limits don't generally apply to cyclists. Lots of tailgating and sketchy overtakes on the 20mph roads near me these days.
https://www.slatergordon.co.uk/newsroom/can-cyclis...
oyster said:
ingenieur said:
TheInternet said:
ingenieur said:
The 20mph thing has been happening in London boroughs for a good 5-or-so years now and even cyclists are ignoring it.
Speed limits don't generally apply to cyclists. Lots of tailgating and sketchy overtakes on the 20mph roads near me these days.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-cycl...
ingenieur said:
Up to you... if you're going to bamboozle me with technicalities it's probably not worth it. The long and short of it is whether or not the speed that you cycle can attract a penalty... undeniably yes. If you're going to go down some 'no license or no vehicle registration' rabbit hole then feel free...
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-cycl...
Usain Bolt reached 27.8 mph back in 2009. Could he be nicked for speeding? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-cycl...
bigothunter said:
I was surprised that Tonbridge has adopted a town-wide 20mph zone, when I visited yesterday. But even the slowest drivers were not obeying this new 20mph limit - everyone was speeding.
https://www.kent.gov.uk/roads-and-travel/road-proj...
This 20mph zoning is spreading fast across Kent. This policy is likely to be applied nationally in the near future.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/more-kent-t...
Intelligent Speed Assist coming in July this year, will effectively force drivers to obey ever-lower speed limits (or be nagged incessantly).
Are we ready for these low speed zones to proliferate across our cities, towns and villages? Do we care? Is there anything we can do to resist them?
In a town where 80% of residents drive tartan shopping trolleys it won't make a lot of difference.https://www.kent.gov.uk/roads-and-travel/road-proj...
This 20mph zoning is spreading fast across Kent. This policy is likely to be applied nationally in the near future.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/more-kent-t...
Intelligent Speed Assist coming in July this year, will effectively force drivers to obey ever-lower speed limits (or be nagged incessantly).
Are we ready for these low speed zones to proliferate across our cities, towns and villages? Do we care? Is there anything we can do to resist them?
I am quite surprised that it encompasses parts of the A26 though, which don't need to be 20 (if indeed any of it does).
I notice this quote from the Kent Online:
"But the justification is not specifically casualty reduction as KCC is using a Government "active travel grant". The argument is that if the public perceive the town centres to be safer, they are more likely to walk or cycle, and so help improve the nation's health and tackle obesity."
Is there any evidence that this is the case?
Louis Balfour said:
I notice this quote from the Kent Online:
"But the justification is not specifically casualty reduction as KCC is using a Government "active travel grant". The argument is that if the public perceive the town centres to be safer, they are more likely to walk or cycle, and so help improve the nation's health and tackle obesity."
Is there any evidence that this is the case?
There are studies that show 20mph schemes encourage active travel, increasing walking and cycling levels by about a fifth because they feel safer. The trial will remain in operation until a decision is made on the future of the scheme."But the justification is not specifically casualty reduction as KCC is using a Government "active travel grant". The argument is that if the public perceive the town centres to be safer, they are more likely to walk or cycle, and so help improve the nation's health and tackle obesity."
Is there any evidence that this is the case?
https://www.kent.gov.uk/roads-and-travel/road-proj...
Allegedly the 20 mph zone is under trial to gather evidence. Whether their conclusions are reached objectively remains to be seen...
bigothunter said:
ingenieur said:
Up to you... if you're going to bamboozle me with technicalities it's probably not worth it. The long and short of it is whether or not the speed that you cycle can attract a penalty... undeniably yes. If you're going to go down some 'no license or no vehicle registration' rabbit hole then feel free...
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-cycl...
Usain Bolt reached 27.8 mph back in 2009. Could he be nicked for speeding? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-cycl...
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