Who Will Use HS2?
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Gnevans said:
Who will use HS2 when it is finished? Mainly business travel? I assume the tickets will mean it would be cheaper to fly. Generally I can’t see families using it due to the cost and hassle of getting to and from the stations in the first place.
As a train spotter I will make an effort to get to London just to use it, it's technically fascinating.Gnevans said:
Who will use HS2 when it is finished? Mainly business travel? I assume the tickets will mean it would be cheaper to fly. Generally I can’t see families using it due to the cost and hassle of getting to and from the stations in the first place.
What cost and hassle? The same as existing stations, perhaps less? You don't seem to have a clue. It will be used by anyone who doesn't want to stop at every station along their route, providing the extra cost, if there is any, is not prohibitive.The cost is the price of the tickets. The hassle is getting to the station by whatever means you use. Parking if you use a car. Transporting your luggage/buggy to the train and then finding somewhere to put it. Then repeating it when you get off the train. I’m fairly certain most people wont be stopping at their end station. Anyway enough clues. I’m just not really convinced of the cost benefit.
If it were coming to Leeds I'd probably have used it to get to London as an occasional novelty, if I were feeling flush (I'm assuming it'll cost more), but that's been binned so it'll be quicker from Leeds on the ECML than faffing around getting to the nearest HS2 hub just so I can use it to London from there.
HS2 seems to be much like global warming in that we don't seem to be getting it in Yorkshire.
HS2 seems to be much like global warming in that we don't seem to be getting it in Yorkshire.
Gnevans said:
The cost is the price of the tickets. The hassle is getting to the station by whatever means you use. Parking if you use a car. Transporting your luggage/buggy to the train and then finding somewhere to put it. Then repeating it when you get off the train. I’m fairly certain most people wont be stopping at their end station. Anyway enough clues. I’m just not really convinced of the cost benefit.
Well you did start off asking the question. To which you seem to know the answer. I now regret replying.Gnevans said:
Who will use HS2 when it is finished? Mainly business travel? I assume the tickets will mean it would be cheaper to fly. Generally I can’t see families using it due to the cost and hassle of getting to and from the stations in the first place.
Absolutely, it’ll be far easier to summon a helicopter to land in your garden. Largechris said:
Gnevans said:
The cost is the price of the tickets. The hassle is getting to the station by whatever means you use. Parking if you use a car. Transporting your luggage/buggy to the train and then finding somewhere to put it. Then repeating it when you get off the train. I’m fairly certain most people wont be stopping at their end station. Anyway enough clues. I’m just not really convinced of the cost benefit.
Well you did start off asking the question. To which you seem to know the answer. I now regret replying.
I rarely use rail anyway.
Say I decided too visit my parents tomorrow afternoon. Fortunately, I have a station walking distance from my house, so could go fron there instead of driving.
The journey would take twice as long, cost four times as much, and I'd still end up four miles from my destination.
Say I decided too visit my parents tomorrow afternoon. Fortunately, I have a station walking distance from my house, so could go fron there instead of driving.
The journey would take twice as long, cost four times as much, and I'd still end up four miles from my destination.
Gnevans said:
The cost is the price of the tickets. The hassle is getting to the station by whatever means you use. Parking if you use a car. Transporting your luggage/buggy to the train and then finding somewhere to put it. Then repeating it when you get off the train. I’m fairly certain most people wont be stopping at their end station. Anyway enough clues. I’m just not really convinced of the cost benefit.
So the tens of thousands of families who currently travel between Birmingham and London will stop because the journey is now a bit quicker? I don't think so.What cost benefit? The cost of the project versus the potential benefit to users? That's got very little to do with the price of tickets and the perceived hassle of using the service, as far as I can see. Clues? WTF? If you want people to answer a specific question, why not just ask it in your OP?
Current time from Crewe to Euston for me via Avanti is 90 mins or so, it's not going to be much quicker than that and will undoubtedly cost most so I'd be out.
Saying that I'm fast approaching 2 years of WFH before that I used rail 5 days a week (not to London), I'm expecting my travel may resume at some point possibly Q2 onwards, but that will be 1 possibly 2 days a week in the office, based upon my work pattern I don't actually see the need for HS2 for commuters, I suspect freight will be the biggest user.
Saying that I'm fast approaching 2 years of WFH before that I used rail 5 days a week (not to London), I'm expecting my travel may resume at some point possibly Q2 onwards, but that will be 1 possibly 2 days a week in the office, based upon my work pattern I don't actually see the need for HS2 for commuters, I suspect freight will be the biggest user.
Freakuk said:
Current time from Crewe to Euston for me via Avanti is 90 mins or so, it's not going to be much quicker than that and will undoubtedly cost most so I'd be out.
Saying that I'm fast approaching 2 years of WFH before that I used rail 5 days a week (not to London), I'm expecting my travel may resume at some point possibly Q2 onwards, but that will be 1 possibly 2 days a week in the office, based upon my work pattern I don't actually see the need for HS2 for commuters, I suspect freight will be the biggest user.
Your alternative service will no longer be 90 minutes.Saying that I'm fast approaching 2 years of WFH before that I used rail 5 days a week (not to London), I'm expecting my travel may resume at some point possibly Q2 onwards, but that will be 1 possibly 2 days a week in the office, based upon my work pattern I don't actually see the need for HS2 for commuters, I suspect freight will be the biggest user.
Whatsmyname said:
Freight will be utilised on existing routes once hs2 has been established. May be freight in the early hours but unless it can do 200mph it’s going to be delaying everything else on hs2.
As I've mentioned elsewhere more than once, with HS2 freeing up paths on the existing WCML, more of the stopping services will be able to use the fast lines while us freight train jockeys can get on with moving the heavy stuff in a more consistent flow on the slow lines. With the existing terminal at DIRFT just south of Rugby currently being expanded onto the other side of the A5 and a new terminal being built just south of Northampton this can only be a good thing. Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff