Out after 3 years for killing a toddler

[grumbledoak]

Alfie Lamb's stepdad who crushed the young boy with his car seat is released from prison early
https://www.gbnews.uk/news/alfie-lambs-stepdad-who...

It's like it's open season on babies and kids here in the UK. Sickening.

[Murph7355]

grumbledoak said:

Alfie Lamb's stepdad who crushed the young boy with his car seat is released from prison early
https://www.gbnews.uk/news/alfie-lambs-stepdad-who...

It's like it's open season on babies and kids here in the UK. Sickening.

Thankfully "open season" is stretching the point a bit.

But sentencing and time served in these sorts of thing are a disgrace.

[poo at Paul's]

Fingers crossed, he’ll be getting his.

[CoolHands]

How can you crush a kid to death and be out less than, at minimum, a decade later? Doesn’t make any kind of sense.

[Terminator X]

Incredible. Makes a mockery of any sort of justice in this country.

TX.

[cashewnut]

Mr Justice Kerr sentenced Waterson to seven-and-a-half years for manslaughter, plotting to pervert the course of justice and intimidating witness Marcus Lamb.
The judge said: “I do not find you were annoyed with Alfie and moved your seat back because of that annoyance.”
“Nevertheless, I am satisfied so that I am sure on the evidence I heard at the trial that albeit not in anger but for your own comfort, you moved the car seat back twice and not only once.”
He accepted character references from the defendant’s father, the former minister Nigel Waterson and his wife Barbara, who attended court, and agreed he was “not all bad”.
But he said Waterson had been “cunning, manipulative, dishonest, disloyal, deceitful, threatening, controlling and sometimes violent”.

WTF.

[mickyh7]

Let's hope Karma is swift.
Absolute .

[Triumph Man]

Witness intimidation. Charming.

[grumbledoak]

Triumph Man said:

Witness intimidation. Charming.

Killing a kid and intimidating witnesses to the point it almost didn't get to trial. Three years.

I cannot help wonder how much import this sentence was: "the defendant’s father, the former minister ..." in the sentencing.

[coppernorks]

cashewnut said:

Mr Justice Kerr sentenced Waterson to seven-and-a-half years for manslaughter, plotting to pervert the course of justice and intimidating witness Marcus Lamb.
The judge said: “I do not find you were annoyed with Alfie and moved your seat back because of that annoyance.”
“Nevertheless, I am satisfied so that I am sure on the evidence I heard at the trial that albeit not in anger but for your own comfort, you moved the car seat back twice and not only once.”
He accepted character references from the defendant’s father, the former minister Nigel Waterson and his wife Barbara, who attended court, and agreed he was “not all bad”.
But he said Waterson had been “cunning, manipulative, dishonest, disloyal, deceitful, threatening, controlling and sometimes violent”.

WTF.

Strange that positive character references are taken into account in sentencing but negative character
testimony, e.g. a defendants appalling past criminal history is rarely admissible during a trial or hearing.
Again, Justice slanted towards the criminal not the victim.

[Electro1980]

coppernorks said:

Strange that positive character references are taken into account in sentencing but negative character
testimony, e.g. a defendants appalling past criminal history is rarely admissible during a trial or hearing.
Again, Justice slanted towards the criminal not the victim.

History is taken in to account in sentencing…

[Gareth79]

anonymous said:

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Manslaughter

edit: Some interesting info. It was an Audi convertible, with four adults and two young children, returning from a shopping trip. The mother ("Adrian Hoare", odd name!) was dating Stephen Waterson (who killed him). The driver was Marcus Lamb, Alfie's cousin (disqualified from driving), and was dating Emilie Williams was the fourth adult in the car (and presumably the mother of the other child).

Edited by Gareth79 on Tuesday 1st February 21:03

[cashewnut]

The judge stated he was "not all bad" ....and then added he was.....

“cunning, manipulative, dishonest, disloyal, deceitful, threatening, controlling and sometimes violent”.


I am struggling to see the "not all"

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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As far as I know practically every prisoner only serves half of their sentence (there are exceptions and bad behaviour etc means early release might not happen). However if you ask the Home Office how many prisoners actually serve ALL of their sentence then they will tell you they ALL do. I said to them "well how can that be, when so many are released early having only served half their time" to which the HO reply that the other half of the sentence is served "on license".. i.e. not in prison.

So to most normal people criminals are getting off with half their sentence, but in the corridors of power all prisoners serve all of their sentence. I guess it comes down to money.

I can never really understand sentencing. One that sticks in my mind was the: "life sentence, with a minimum of 8 years". I struggle to relate a life sentence with 8 years.

Decades ago elections were fought over law and order, nowadays that doesn't even figure in any party's manifesto instead it's all about how much money can be given away and how green they'll be. (Rant over).