So, Havana Syndrome could now be down to a death ray
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Havana Syndrome may be caused by ‘pulsed energy’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6023783...
Interesting timing for this to be published; interesting subject…
Interesting timing for this to be published; interesting subject…
Octoposse said:
Dastardly Dick said:
Stand by for the usual media cretins to shout: " Its the russians!" yet again.
My money’s on the Croydon Cat Killer.100% it's Boris. He's using it as a distraction from parties. He's tested it out on a few Americans and will be using it on Remain voters next.
Initial reaction to this story was "oh, they must have some evidence". Followed by the explanation that;
1. Many of the cases had mundane explanations
2. Some of the cases could not be explained
3. Therefore must be Russian pulsed electromagnetic death ray
It seemed to me that some steps between 2. and 3. had been omitted.
I think they might be one of
2.a. They have proof of the detection of electromagnetic pulses, which are classified
or
2.a. A Russian pulsed electromagnetic death ray explanation would be convenient from a political / budget point of view
1. Many of the cases had mundane explanations
2. Some of the cases could not be explained
3. Therefore must be Russian pulsed electromagnetic death ray
It seemed to me that some steps between 2. and 3. had been omitted.
I think they might be one of
2.a. They have proof of the detection of electromagnetic pulses, which are classified
or
2.a. A Russian pulsed electromagnetic death ray explanation would be convenient from a political / budget point of view
I've just started reading The Expectation Effect by Robson. 26% through according to Kindle.
It gives a possible, and plausible, explanation of such events. They happen with surprising frequency, and seem to be increasing in number and the number of those who are affected by it. It seems ludicrous, but there's lots of research to support.
We had a box fall off a forklift in a warehouse. They contained metal containers marked with Radiation Hazard, and such. One lid came off. There were people admitted to hospital with strange symptoms. There was talk about a major incident, right up until the manufacturers came back and said that the containers had just been manufactured, were empty, and en route to another country to be filled with something they didn't disclose.
The book explains this and it might be what has caused this outbreak. And outbreak it is.
There was some poor chap who was on a double-blind trial who tried to commit suicide by taking all the pills he'd been given. Dangerously low blood pressure, but the A&E were stumped, until the trial organiser came back to say that he'd been given a placebo. Whe he was told, he experienced a slow improvement and later walked out.
We have to accept that people are weird, and that includes us.
These people suffering with symptoms that have, on the face of it no cause are not making it up. Simply put, it's down to expectations. Not a complete explanation of course, but the more publicity, the more are affected. It's a sort of placebo effect. It's has nothing to do with low intelligence. We're all susceptible, even the chap who wrote the book.
It gives a possible, and plausible, explanation of such events. They happen with surprising frequency, and seem to be increasing in number and the number of those who are affected by it. It seems ludicrous, but there's lots of research to support.
We had a box fall off a forklift in a warehouse. They contained metal containers marked with Radiation Hazard, and such. One lid came off. There were people admitted to hospital with strange symptoms. There was talk about a major incident, right up until the manufacturers came back and said that the containers had just been manufactured, were empty, and en route to another country to be filled with something they didn't disclose.
The book explains this and it might be what has caused this outbreak. And outbreak it is.
There was some poor chap who was on a double-blind trial who tried to commit suicide by taking all the pills he'd been given. Dangerously low blood pressure, but the A&E were stumped, until the trial organiser came back to say that he'd been given a placebo. Whe he was told, he experienced a slow improvement and later walked out.
We have to accept that people are weird, and that includes us.
These people suffering with symptoms that have, on the face of it no cause are not making it up. Simply put, it's down to expectations. Not a complete explanation of course, but the more publicity, the more are affected. It's a sort of placebo effect. It's has nothing to do with low intelligence. We're all susceptible, even the chap who wrote the book.
Derek Smith said:
I've just started reading The Expectation Effect by Robson. 26% through according to Kindle.
It gives a possible, and plausible, explanation of such events. They happen with surprising frequency, and seem to be increasing in number and the number of those who are affected by it. It seems ludicrous, but there's lots of research to support.
We had a box fall off a forklift in a warehouse. They contained metal containers marked with Radiation Hazard, and such. One lid came off. There were people admitted to hospital with strange symptoms. There was talk about a major incident, right up until the manufacturers came back and said that the containers had just been manufactured, were empty, and en route to another country to be filled with something they didn't disclose.
The book explains this and it might be what has caused this outbreak. And outbreak it is.
There was some poor chap who was on a double-blind trial who tried to commit suicide by taking all the pills he'd been given. Dangerously low blood pressure, but the A&E were stumped, until the trial organiser came back to say that he'd been given a placebo. Whe he was told, he experienced a slow improvement and later walked out.
We have to accept that people are weird, and that includes us.
These people suffering with symptoms that have, on the face of it no cause are not making it up. Simply put, it's down to expectations. Not a complete explanation of course, but the more publicity, the more are affected. It's a sort of placebo effect. It's has nothing to do with low intelligence. We're all susceptible, even the chap who wrote the book.
AKA the Nocebo effect. It gives a possible, and plausible, explanation of such events. They happen with surprising frequency, and seem to be increasing in number and the number of those who are affected by it. It seems ludicrous, but there's lots of research to support.
We had a box fall off a forklift in a warehouse. They contained metal containers marked with Radiation Hazard, and such. One lid came off. There were people admitted to hospital with strange symptoms. There was talk about a major incident, right up until the manufacturers came back and said that the containers had just been manufactured, were empty, and en route to another country to be filled with something they didn't disclose.
The book explains this and it might be what has caused this outbreak. And outbreak it is.
There was some poor chap who was on a double-blind trial who tried to commit suicide by taking all the pills he'd been given. Dangerously low blood pressure, but the A&E were stumped, until the trial organiser came back to say that he'd been given a placebo. Whe he was told, he experienced a slow improvement and later walked out.
We have to accept that people are weird, and that includes us.
These people suffering with symptoms that have, on the face of it no cause are not making it up. Simply put, it's down to expectations. Not a complete explanation of course, but the more publicity, the more are affected. It's a sort of placebo effect. It's has nothing to do with low intelligence. We're all susceptible, even the chap who wrote the book.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jan/18/no...
When I was a kid, someone in a chemistry class waved a beaker of what I thought was ammonia under my nose. Immediately made my eyes start to sting and water. But it wasn't ammonia, it was just water.
otolith said:
AKA the Nocebo effect.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jan/18/no...
When I was a kid, someone in a chemistry class waved a beaker of what I thought was ammonia under my nose. Immediately made my eyes start to sting and water. But it wasn't ammonia, it was just water.
I once ate a full six pack of cheese and onion hula hoops and complained to my sister that they weren't very salt and vinegary. I had confused the colour coding system with walkers. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jan/18/no...
When I was a kid, someone in a chemistry class waved a beaker of what I thought was ammonia under my nose. Immediately made my eyes start to sting and water. But it wasn't ammonia, it was just water.
otolith said:
Derek Smith said:
I've just started reading The Expectation Effect by Robson. 26% through according to Kindle.
It gives a possible, and plausible, explanation of such events. They happen with surprising frequency, and seem to be increasing in number and the number of those who are affected by it. It seems ludicrous, but there's lots of research to support.
We had a box fall off a forklift in a warehouse. They contained metal containers marked with Radiation Hazard, and such. One lid came off. There were people admitted to hospital with strange symptoms. There was talk about a major incident, right up until the manufacturers came back and said that the containers had just been manufactured, were empty, and en route to another country to be filled with something they didn't disclose.
The book explains this and it might be what has caused this outbreak. And outbreak it is.
There was some poor chap who was on a double-blind trial who tried to commit suicide by taking all the pills he'd been given. Dangerously low blood pressure, but the A&E were stumped, until the trial organiser came back to say that he'd been given a placebo. Whe he was told, he experienced a slow improvement and later walked out.
We have to accept that people are weird, and that includes us.
These people suffering with symptoms that have, on the face of it no cause are not making it up. Simply put, it's down to expectations. Not a complete explanation of course, but the more publicity, the more are affected. It's a sort of placebo effect. It's has nothing to do with low intelligence. We're all susceptible, even the chap who wrote the book.
AKA the Nocebo effect. It gives a possible, and plausible, explanation of such events. They happen with surprising frequency, and seem to be increasing in number and the number of those who are affected by it. It seems ludicrous, but there's lots of research to support.
We had a box fall off a forklift in a warehouse. They contained metal containers marked with Radiation Hazard, and such. One lid came off. There were people admitted to hospital with strange symptoms. There was talk about a major incident, right up until the manufacturers came back and said that the containers had just been manufactured, were empty, and en route to another country to be filled with something they didn't disclose.
The book explains this and it might be what has caused this outbreak. And outbreak it is.
There was some poor chap who was on a double-blind trial who tried to commit suicide by taking all the pills he'd been given. Dangerously low blood pressure, but the A&E were stumped, until the trial organiser came back to say that he'd been given a placebo. Whe he was told, he experienced a slow improvement and later walked out.
We have to accept that people are weird, and that includes us.
These people suffering with symptoms that have, on the face of it no cause are not making it up. Simply put, it's down to expectations. Not a complete explanation of course, but the more publicity, the more are affected. It's a sort of placebo effect. It's has nothing to do with low intelligence. We're all susceptible, even the chap who wrote the book.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jan/18/no...
When I was a kid, someone in a chemistry class waved a beaker of what I thought was ammonia under my nose. Immediately made my eyes start to sting and water. But it wasn't ammonia, it was just water.
Derek Smith said:
There was some poor chap who was on a double-blind trial who tried to commit suicide by taking all the pills he'd been given. Dangerously low blood pressure, but the A&E were stumped, until the trial organiser came back to say that he'd been given a placebo. Whe he was told, he experienced a slow improvement and later walked out.
Similarly, sometimes when people are on drug trials in clinics a few people on the new drug will get strange dreams, they chat amongst themselves and by the end of the trial the whole group is having strange dreams whether they're on the new drug or placebo.I suspect that's what's going on with Havana Syndrome - a few people at one embassy had the symptoms from dodgy water or whatever, now people in the other embassies are thinking they have the same thing.
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