Tracking cars and tax by movement
Discussion
New idea to track vehicles and charge by how far they travel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60251046
How easy is it to defeat a tracker?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60251046
How easy is it to defeat a tracker?
kiethton said:
Very:
Unplug the wire going to it
Put the module inside a faraday pouch/the thing designed to hold comfort access car keys
Pour some water on it so its borked
etc....
Stick the car on a bad lad's list so the police have you as a target.... Or just send the registered keeper a massive fine for no tracker.... Unplug the wire going to it
Put the module inside a faraday pouch/the thing designed to hold comfort access car keys
Pour some water on it so its borked
etc....
And because of the "congestion/pollution" modifiers nobody will know in advance what each journey will cost & nobody will realise when the prices are stealthily raised.
Obviously VED & fuel taxes will be cancelled once this charge is imposed, though- it's not as if they'd just have an additional tax, is it?
Obviously VED & fuel taxes will be cancelled once this charge is imposed, though- it's not as if they'd just have an additional tax, is it?
Murph7355 said:
kiethton said:
Very:
Unplug the wire going to it
Put the module inside a faraday pouch/the thing designed to hold comfort access car keys
Pour some water on it so its borked
etc....
Stick the car on a bad lad's list so the police have you as a target.... Or just send the registered keeper a massive fine for no tracker.... Unplug the wire going to it
Put the module inside a faraday pouch/the thing designed to hold comfort access car keys
Pour some water on it so its borked
etc....
Also massively over-egging competence, I realised this week that I forgot to actually swap the physical private plate off my car when I put it onto retention 7 months ago - I've not had any issue/pull since
saaby93 said:
It'll probably be a system like red diesel.
If you charge from a charging point like a petrol station you pay tax on the leccy
If you charge at home you wont be able to use the car for use elsewhere
Red diesel is being banned in April... FWIW. (other than very specific uses in agri)If you charge from a charging point like a petrol station you pay tax on the leccy
If you charge at home you wont be able to use the car for use elsewhere
As for charging at home, from July (IIRC) you will have to have a meter on the EV charging outlet which is billed seperatly.
This whole thing is going to get messy. The govt have no idea on a way forward and they are playing at how to fix something thats not broken. Its going to end up being a system with many different systems for many different types of vehicle and I can just see that causing severe confusion and of course cost.
Letting each region do their own thing is going to make the problem 100 times worse.
Surprised they haven't highlighted company car tax, or fuel duty either.
Motoring is a huge taxable income. They need to look it at holistically. But I suspect whatever implemented will be ill thought out.
And whilst taxing by distance might make some sense on paper, it'd likely benefit city drivers compared to rural drivers who naturally have to travel further for necessities.
Motoring is a huge taxable income. They need to look it at holistically. But I suspect whatever implemented will be ill thought out.
And whilst taxing by distance might make some sense on paper, it'd likely benefit city drivers compared to rural drivers who naturally have to travel further for necessities.
I have said for years that motorists should be charged by the mile, rather than an arbitrary fixed figure.
It always seemed grossly unfair that Mrs Miggins who went to the shops once a week and did 500 miles per year, paid the same VED (for the same car) as Joe Bloggs the sales rep who does 25,000 miles a year.
Same goes for those who own classic/sports cars which come out once every few weeks for a couple of hours. Doesn't seem fair for them to be paying the full whack, compared to say a minicab doing intergalactic milage.
Years ago, my argument was that the VED should just be added to the cost of fuel. Job done. The more you drive the more you pay. The more gas you guzzle the more you pay.
But, clearly that won't work anymore due to electric vehicles, so I actually have no problem with a 'black box' device. Shock horror.
It always seemed grossly unfair that Mrs Miggins who went to the shops once a week and did 500 miles per year, paid the same VED (for the same car) as Joe Bloggs the sales rep who does 25,000 miles a year.
Same goes for those who own classic/sports cars which come out once every few weeks for a couple of hours. Doesn't seem fair for them to be paying the full whack, compared to say a minicab doing intergalactic milage.
Years ago, my argument was that the VED should just be added to the cost of fuel. Job done. The more you drive the more you pay. The more gas you guzzle the more you pay.
But, clearly that won't work anymore due to electric vehicles, so I actually have no problem with a 'black box' device. Shock horror.
kiethton said:
They then would have to prove intent - if one of their own gadgets has broken, intentionally or otherwise, its not your problem....do you get pulled over/fined if a sunroof doesn't work properly?
Also massively over-egging competence, I realised this week that I forgot to actually swap the physical private plate off my car when I put it onto retention 7 months ago - I've not had any issue/pull since
You very much can be fined for letting parts of your car go "out of service"... Tyres as an example. But others apply.Also massively over-egging competence, I realised this week that I forgot to actually swap the physical private plate off my car when I put it onto retention 7 months ago - I've not had any issue/pull since
Lack of govt competence hasn't stopped them doing things since governments were invented. Especially when hunting for money.
Lord Marylebone said:
I have said for years that motorists should be charged by the mile, rather than an arbitrary fixed figure.
It always seemed grossly unfair that Mrs Miggins who went to the shops once a week and did 500 miles per year, paid the same VED (for the same car) as Joe Bloggs the sales rep who does 25,000 miles a year.
Same goes for those who own classic/sports cars which come out once every few weeks for a couple of hours. Doesn't seem fair for them to be paying the full whack, compared to say a minicab doing intergalactic milage.
Years ago, my argument was that the VED should just be added to the cost of fuel. Job done. The more you drive the more you pay. The more gas you guzzle the more you pay.
But, clearly that won't work anymore due to electric vehicles, so I actually have no problem with a 'black box' device. Shock horror.
Far too sensible.It always seemed grossly unfair that Mrs Miggins who went to the shops once a week and did 500 miles per year, paid the same VED (for the same car) as Joe Bloggs the sales rep who does 25,000 miles a year.
Same goes for those who own classic/sports cars which come out once every few weeks for a couple of hours. Doesn't seem fair for them to be paying the full whack, compared to say a minicab doing intergalactic milage.
Years ago, my argument was that the VED should just be added to the cost of fuel. Job done. The more you drive the more you pay. The more gas you guzzle the more you pay.
But, clearly that won't work anymore due to electric vehicles, so I actually have no problem with a 'black box' device. Shock horror.
UKGov won't like it.
Murph7355 said:
You very much can be fined for letting parts of your car go "out of service"... Tyres as an example. But others apply.
Lack of govt competence hasn't stopped them doing things since governments were invented. Especially when hunting for money.
Is there an idea lurking there about taxing tyres instead?Lack of govt competence hasn't stopped them doing things since governments were invented. Especially when hunting for money.
Every few years they try to move towards road pricing. I don't mind having to pay per mile as we already do to an extent via fuel costs and the massive amount of tax on it. However, I don't want a tracker on my car. Of course there would be ways around it but I'd rather not have to resort to those measures.
Since only 20% of VED is actually used for roads, 80% is effectively a stealth tax.
It angers me that that so much of what we earn is effectively stolen at source then used to such poor effect that we are forced to pay more.
Black box trackers will mean a surprise NIP for many as any speed infringement will automatically show up as well as routes being monitored, sickening to think that some will be exempted from this for 'security reasons'.
You can also bet that on top of pay per mile a basic car tax will apply to make sure the lower mileage drivers get screwed as well.
It angers me that that so much of what we earn is effectively stolen at source then used to such poor effect that we are forced to pay more.
Black box trackers will mean a surprise NIP for many as any speed infringement will automatically show up as well as routes being monitored, sickening to think that some will be exempted from this for 'security reasons'.
You can also bet that on top of pay per mile a basic car tax will apply to make sure the lower mileage drivers get screwed as well.
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