mesh wi-fi rubbish - wired backhaul instead??
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i've just about had it with my linksys velop network. I originally had a 3 node setup, but we moved house and with a larger space it's just been a PITA. So, i've added 2 further nodes since we moved house, but it's impossible to get them in the right places to optimise the signal/noise. I've fiddled endlessly, and i am an IT pro too. Am I pissing into the wind? Should I just go wired backhaul and bin mesh entirely??
Although Mesh can be fantastic, it still over air, which depending on your house can be a right PITA..
I've found the best way, especially in older houses is the ethernet over power. I've used TP LINK ones for years now, they even come with 1gb ports plus WIFI.
This sort of thing : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabit-Passthrough-Power...
I've found the best way, especially in older houses is the ethernet over power. I've used TP LINK ones for years now, they even come with 1gb ports plus WIFI.
This sort of thing : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabit-Passthrough-Power...
I went through various mesh systems, never got them working properly in my old, thick-walled house.
Netear Orbi triband (one band for backhaul only) was a game changer. I get excellent WiFi throughout the house, at very little dropoff in speed, and it has been totally reliable so far.
Wired is better, but this is way cheaper and more convenient. Bought it at 50% off on amazon Black Friday.
Netear Orbi triband (one band for backhaul only) was a game changer. I get excellent WiFi throughout the house, at very little dropoff in speed, and it has been totally reliable so far.
Wired is better, but this is way cheaper and more convenient. Bought it at 50% off on amazon Black Friday.
Edited by Harry Flashman on Saturday 5th February 14:27
Jenny Tailor said:
I have a TP Link Deco M9 - Brilliant. ( separate backbone too )
But nothing will beat physical hard wiring.
If you are not planning on moving - I would seriously consider getting it wired.
I have TP Link Deco P9 - similar tech I think. Works flawlesslyBut nothing will beat physical hard wiring.
If you are not planning on moving - I would seriously consider getting it wired.
I think that I paid £140 for 4 units from: https://www.box.co.uk/products/ex/true/keywords/de...
ok mind made up then. I am sure one day mesh systems will be great in any type of home (well, more types than today) but it seems they work incredibly well in some places and not in others. We have a mixture of thin and thick (very thick) walls in our house due to the age of it. Yep wiring time. Admittedly we are on s
tty 4G broadband at the mo, but we'll be getting FttP in the next 2-3 years so i'll ensure to wire it with that in mind. So, which cat of cable... i need to do some reading. I had the old house partly wired with cat6 and it was a ballache to work with.
tty 4G broadband at the mo, but we'll be getting FttP in the next 2-3 years so i'll ensure to wire it with that in mind. So, which cat of cable... i need to do some reading. I had the old house partly wired with cat6 and it was a ballache to work with. Harry Flashman said:
Netear Orbi triband (one band for backhaul only) was a game changer. I get excellent WiFi throughout the house, at very little dropoff in speed, and it has been totally reliable so far.
^^^ This...A lot of mesh networks only have 2x radios, which means the backhaul is sharing with the clients. The Orbi has a dedicated 3rd radio, purely for the backhaul... It makes a huge difference.
However, if you can get the units wired, that'll be even better still.
M
Robotron70 said:
I mostly fit TP-Link P9’s, probably in excess of 20 systems now, all working perfectly in a variety of locations from small homes to a large B&B.
I’ve got an old Netgear Orbi system at home, this has also been rock solid across my entire house and garden.
agree 100% with the P9I’ve got an old Netgear Orbi system at home, this has also been rock solid across my entire house and garden.
Good WiFi around the house workshop and garden
Blown2CV said:
ok mind made up then. I am sure one day mesh systems will be great in any type of home (well, more types than today) but it seems they work incredibly well in some places and not in others. We have a mixture of thin and thick (very thick) walls in our house due to the age of it. Yep wiring time. Admittedly we are on stty 4G broadband at the mo, but we'll be getting FttP in the next 2-3 years so i'll ensure to wire it with that in mind. So, which cat of cable... i need to do some reading. I had the old house partly wired with cat6 and it was a ballache to work with.
Try Orbi, wireless, you have nothing to losetty 4G broadband at the mo, but we'll be getting FttP in the next 2-3 years so i'll ensure to wire it with that in mind. So, which cat of cable... i need to do some reading. I had the old house partly wired with cat6 and it was a ballache to work with. If for some bizaare reason (I can't think of one) it doesn't work wire the backhaul
I have 5 x Velop tri band nodes 2 supplied by Gigaclear and found getting the nodes to stay connected wireless was next to impossible even with just 1 wall in between.
I now have the 3 main nodes with wired backhaul using cat6 and the other 2 wireless. Works perfectly now just Re start it every month and job done.
Shame you can't schedule a Re start on the Lynksys.
I now have the 3 main nodes with wired backhaul using cat6 and the other 2 wireless. Works perfectly now just Re start it every month and job done.
Shame you can't schedule a Re start on the Lynksys.
Blown2CV said:
ok mind made up then. I am sure one day mesh systems will be great in any type of home (well, more types than today) but it seems they work incredibly well in some places and not in others. We have a mixture of thin and thick (very thick) walls in our house due to the age of it. Yep wiring time. Admittedly we are on stty 4G broadband at the mo, but we'll be getting FttP in the next 2-3 years so i'll ensure to wire it with that in mind. So, which cat of cable... i need to do some reading. I had the old house partly wired with cat6 and it was a ballache to work with.
5e is easier to work with and will if well installed work at 2.5 or 5gb which is where domestic installs are trending, I suspect it will be a long while before we see requirements for everyday 10gb installs.tty 4G broadband at the mo, but we'll be getting FttP in the next 2-3 years so i'll ensure to wire it with that in mind. So, which cat of cable... i need to do some reading. I had the old house partly wired with cat6 and it was a ballache to work with. Also prior to this have you put the latest firmware on the veloops?
I’ve got the cheaper orbi, without the dedicated back haul radio channel.
Backhaul wired via power line and roberts your fathers brother.
Mesh is fantastic for not having to constantly switch which Wi-Fi point you are connected to or holding tight to a weaker one depending on which end of the sofa you sit.
Sometimes it just needs a helping hand. Don’t ditch the mesh, combine it with power line.
Backhaul wired via power line and roberts your fathers brother.
Mesh is fantastic for not having to constantly switch which Wi-Fi point you are connected to or holding tight to a weaker one depending on which end of the sofa you sit.
Sometimes it just needs a helping hand. Don’t ditch the mesh, combine it with power line.
Blown2CV said:
ok mind made up then. I am sure one day mesh systems will be great in any type of home (well, more types than today) but it seems they work incredibly well in some places and not in others. We have a mixture of thin and thick (very thick) walls in our house due to the age of it. Yep wiring time. Admittedly we are on stty 4G broadband at the mo, but we'll be getting FttP in the next 2-3 years so i'll ensure to wire it with that in mind. So, which cat of cable... i need to do some reading. I had the old house partly wired with cat6 and it was a ballache to work with.
4G can be pretty good, certainly ours is better than our previous FTTC (with a broken cable OpenReach refused to fix).tty 4G broadband at the mo, but we'll be getting FttP in the next 2-3 years so i'll ensure to wire it with that in mind. So, which cat of cable... i need to do some reading. I had the old house partly wired with cat6 and it was a ballache to work with. 
However, what internet connection you have is immaterial if you’re talking about your own internal WiFi.
I use a couple of UniFi access points. They were dire until I went against advice (almost always US based) and installed them in the loft, pointing down at 45 degrees. WiFi penetrates our floors/ceilings far better than our walls. Might be worth a go,
I use Orbi in a 1700s thick walled building and it's surprising how close they need to be to each other. I bought three units, and to get coverage throughout my ground floor building I have one in my lounge with the router, one in the room next door (through thick as hell wall) literally 5 or 6 m away as the crow flies, and then one in the next room to that. That then beams it on through a traditional stud wall to my kitchen and then bathroom. The second one is not needed for WiFi and is there purely as a relay.
Conversely in my mum's bloody massive house I have one in the hallway, one in the far away lounge, and one upstairs above the lounge one, and the whole house (two knocked through) gets full coverage! And that's an Georgian old house too, not some new build. Seemingly having one upstairs to repeat / broadcast makes all th difference. Floors are easy to go through.
P.s. the reviews all point to the deco M9 being just as good at a fraction of the cost.
Conversely in my mum's bloody massive house I have one in the hallway, one in the far away lounge, and one upstairs above the lounge one, and the whole house (two knocked through) gets full coverage! And that's an Georgian old house too, not some new build. Seemingly having one upstairs to repeat / broadcast makes all th difference. Floors are easy to go through.
P.s. the reviews all point to the deco M9 being just as good at a fraction of the cost.
camel_landy said:
Harry Flashman said:
Netear Orbi triband (one band for backhaul only) was a game changer. I get excellent WiFi throughout the house, at very little dropoff in speed, and it has been totally reliable so far.
^^^ This...A lot of mesh networks only have 2x radios, which means the backhaul is sharing with the clients. The Orbi has a dedicated 3rd radio, purely for the backhaul... It makes a huge difference.
However, if you can get the units wired, that'll be even better still.
M
dmsims said:
Blown2CV said:
ok mind made up then. I am sure one day mesh systems will be great in any type of home (well, more types than today) but it seems they work incredibly well in some places and not in others. We have a mixture of thin and thick (very thick) walls in our house due to the age of it. Yep wiring time. Admittedly we are on stty 4G broadband at the mo, but we'll be getting FttP in the next 2-3 years so i'll ensure to wire it with that in mind. So, which cat of cable... i need to do some reading. I had the old house partly wired with cat6 and it was a ballache to work with.
Try Orbi, wireless, you have nothing to losetty 4G broadband at the mo, but we'll be getting FttP in the next 2-3 years so i'll ensure to wire it with that in mind. So, which cat of cable... i need to do some reading. I had the old house partly wired with cat6 and it was a ballache to work with. If for some bizaare reason (I can't think of one) it doesn't work wire the backhaul
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