Autojumble calendar?
Discussion
With the sad covid related demise of Classic Motor Monthly (featuring the autojumbler) where can one find a calendar of autojumbles?
I appreciate that many vendors will have moved on, given they were restricted from their business, but similarly many may have accumulated stock they are looking to shift and be itching to get back to business.
Now Boris has seen sense, it seems the Spring and summer are ripe for events, but how would one find out about them today?
I appreciate that many vendors will have moved on, given they were restricted from their business, but similarly many may have accumulated stock they are looking to shift and be itching to get back to business.
Now Boris has seen sense, it seems the Spring and summer are ripe for events, but how would one find out about them today?
This might help
https://www.jonniejumble.co.uk/classic_car_events_...
I went to the Beaulieu Spring Autojumble. TBH it was a shadow of previous years - lots of long time stallholders were absent. And there was a general air of gloom and doom. I think the age of the autojumble may be over.
So many autojumbles seem to have stopped after Covid, for example autojumbles (and car shows), held at Shepton Mallet for so many years, have seemingly fallen off the calendar. It's a pity because autojumbles are/were such an important part of our hobby.
But, traders (have told me) that attending an autojumble costs big money - over and above hefty fees there are other costs: stands/weekend staff wages/accommodation/food etc etc.
With the internet traders can just conduct their business, sitting around their breakfast table (in their underpants!)
https://www.jonniejumble.co.uk/classic_car_events_...
I went to the Beaulieu Spring Autojumble. TBH it was a shadow of previous years - lots of long time stallholders were absent. And there was a general air of gloom and doom. I think the age of the autojumble may be over.
So many autojumbles seem to have stopped after Covid, for example autojumbles (and car shows), held at Shepton Mallet for so many years, have seemingly fallen off the calendar. It's a pity because autojumbles are/were such an important part of our hobby.
But, traders (have told me) that attending an autojumble costs big money - over and above hefty fees there are other costs: stands/weekend staff wages/accommodation/food etc etc.
With the internet traders can just conduct their business, sitting around their breakfast table (in their underpants!)
alfaspecial said:
This might help
https://www.jonniejumble.co.uk/classic_car_events_...
I went to the Beaulieu Spring Autojumble. TBH it was a shadow of previous years - lots of long time stallholders were absent. And there was a general air of gloom and doom. I think the age of the autojumble may be over.
So many autojumbles seem to have stopped after Covid, for example autojumbles (and car shows), held at Shepton Mallet for so many years, have seemingly fallen off the calendar. It's a pity because autojumbles are/were such an important part of our hobby.
But, traders (have told me) that attending an autojumble costs big money - over and above hefty fees there are other costs: stands/weekend staff wages/accommodation/food etc etc.
With the internet traders can just conduct their business, sitting around their breakfast table (in their underpants!)
TBF it was pissing down all day on Sunday so many packed up and went home on Saturday nighthttps://www.jonniejumble.co.uk/classic_car_events_...
I went to the Beaulieu Spring Autojumble. TBH it was a shadow of previous years - lots of long time stallholders were absent. And there was a general air of gloom and doom. I think the age of the autojumble may be over.
So many autojumbles seem to have stopped after Covid, for example autojumbles (and car shows), held at Shepton Mallet for so many years, have seemingly fallen off the calendar. It's a pity because autojumbles are/were such an important part of our hobby.
But, traders (have told me) that attending an autojumble costs big money - over and above hefty fees there are other costs: stands/weekend staff wages/accommodation/food etc etc.
With the internet traders can just conduct their business, sitting around their breakfast table (in their underpants!)
anotherjohnv said:
alfaspecial said:
This might help
https://www.jonniejumble.co.uk/classic_car_events_...
I went to the Beaulieu Spring Autojumble. TBH it was a shadow of previous years - lots of long time stallholders were absent. And there was a general air of gloom and doom. I think the age of the autojumble may be over.
So many autojumbles seem to have stopped after Covid, for example autojumbles (and car shows), held at Shepton Mallet for so many years, have seemingly fallen off the calendar. It's a pity because autojumbles are/were such an important part of our hobby.
But, traders (have told me) that attending an autojumble costs big money - over and above hefty fees there are other costs: stands/weekend staff wages/accommodation/food etc etc.
With the internet traders can just conduct their business, sitting around their breakfast table (in their underpants!)
TBF it was pissing down all day on Sunday so many packed up and went home on Saturday nighthttps://www.jonniejumble.co.uk/classic_car_events_...
I went to the Beaulieu Spring Autojumble. TBH it was a shadow of previous years - lots of long time stallholders were absent. And there was a general air of gloom and doom. I think the age of the autojumble may be over.
So many autojumbles seem to have stopped after Covid, for example autojumbles (and car shows), held at Shepton Mallet for so many years, have seemingly fallen off the calendar. It's a pity because autojumbles are/were such an important part of our hobby.
But, traders (have told me) that attending an autojumble costs big money - over and above hefty fees there are other costs: stands/weekend staff wages/accommodation/food etc etc.
With the internet traders can just conduct their business, sitting around their breakfast table (in their underpants!)
And, if as you say, many disappointed traders just cut their losses and left early.
With the ending of ICE vehicle production, I don't imagine come 2042 there will be many Tesla EV owners happy to spend their leisure
time rummaging through boxes of old bits, in a field looking for a specific widget for their 'classic' 2019 Tesla Model S!
I didn't attend to look for any specific parts, it was more a case of wanting to support the very concept of autojumbles. My attitude was 'use it or loose it' - if we don't attend autojumbles then we can't be surprised if the scene just dies.
That being said I probably wont bother going again........ I'd probably have better luck looking for that elusive part on-line.
Surely Teslas will be the new Morris Minor in 25 years time. When Minors were normal cars in the 60's if you said there would be a massive owners club in 50 years time they would have laughed at you, yet as we know they have a massive following. There will always be a following for old cars and need to fix them, and buy the parts to do it. Just right now it is easier to buy and sell on eBay than a cold wet and windy field. 35 years ago In 25 years time there will no doubt be another way of buying and selling.
ARHarh said:
Surely Teslas will be the new Morris Minor in 25 years time. When Minors were normal cars in the 60's if you said there would be a massive owners club in 50 years time they would have laughed at you, yet as we know they have a massive following. There will always be a following for old cars and need to fix them, and buy the parts to do it. Just right now it is easier to buy and sell on eBay than a cold wet and windy field. 35 years ago In 25 years time there will no doubt be another way of buying and selling.
Are you actually able to buy parts for a (classic) 2005 Tesla Roadster? I've no idea!I think Morris Minors were 'cherished' cars even 35 years ago.
Charlie Ware's (Bath) Morris Minor Centre open 47 years ago - in 1975, just 4 years after production ceased.
BEVs are 'white goods'. Rented by the first owner, rented by the second and then unceremoniously dumped when the value of the scrap battery is more than the potential sales value. There just won't be a market (other than scrappage) for old (BEVs) cars. IMHO.
Youngsters of previous generations were brought up to maintain and repair their old cars. Not any longer.
The car is dead. Long live the car. At least for as long as us oldies are alive!
Being a bit pedantic 1975 was 27 years after production of the minor started and the 1960's were more than 35 years ago. I still stand by the fact that even if modern cars are classed as "white goods" there will still be a following in 30 odd years time. I have been around old cars since the 70's and heard it time and time again, yet at classic car shows now there are lots of cars that were still 20 years away from production when I first started going to shows. nad everyone said you would not be able to maintain them, they all looked the same and people didn't care about the cars they drove so none would survive.
Surprise surprise some have survived and are cherished just like has always happened.
Surprise surprise some have survived and are cherished just like has always happened.
ARHarh said:
Being a bit pedantic 1975 was 27 years after production of the minor started and the 1960's were more than 35 years ago. I still stand by the fact that even if modern cars are classed as "white goods" there will still be a following in 30 odd years time. I have been around old cars since the 70's and heard it time and time again, yet at classic car shows now there are lots of cars that were still 20 years away from production when I first started going to shows. nad everyone said you would not be able to maintain them, they all looked the same and people didn't care about the cars they drove so none would survive.
Surprise surprise some have survived and are cherished just like has always happened.
I get your point and am loathe to say 'this time it's different' but I think it is.Surprise surprise some have survived and are cherished just like has always happened.
Firstly, far fewer youngsters bother to learn to drive
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan...
Quote "While just under half of 17- to 20-year-olds had licences in 1992-4, that figure was 29% by 2014. And the number of 21- to 29-year-olds with licences also decreased, from 75% to 63%."
And this article was well before Covid
Secondly, modern cars ie pretty much anything built since year 2000 are pretty much beyond home mechanics. Parts are ruinously expensive and often not available. There are very few old style scrapyards
Thirdly, the ethos of pride of ownership just doesn't ring true with the younger generation. People prefer to rent. (PCP)
https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-car-finance-pcp...
Quote "82% of new cars in Britain are bought using relatively new "PCP" loans, which let drivers pay less than the full value of the car."
The white goods analogy stands. ICE cars are almost analogue in operation whereas BEVs are (literally)digital. And who gets excited about 'old' digital technology.
I knew a guy who owned a pub. He bought one of those old style arcade games and spent a fortune having it restored. It was a great 'feature' and his clientele were really up for nostalgic thrills. For about a fortnight. And then it just gathered dust.
When stereos were analogue there was a genuine interest in ownership of a 'system'. Why bother when you can have access to just about every piece of music/video via your phone.
Apparently Apple are stopping making the I-pod. https://www.theapplepost.com/2022/06/09/ipod-touch...
There is no love for 'old' digital age technology. Rent, use, dump.
I love old cars. Even 'crap' ones. But I'm 56. And I just don't see that many younger people with an interest in post millennium cars.
Obviously really high end stuff may have appeal to future but not any current BEVs.
And logically, once we have all adopted BEVs they will be taxed on usage and (it's not beyond probability) will have 'driver aids', in the interests of safety/economy that take all the decision making away from the driver.
ie GPS speed/accelerator limiters.
Edited by alfaspecial on Friday 1st July 14:58
I am 56 as well.
What about steam engines, they were all run by very retired people 20 years ago, now they are often run by people in their 40's. But I bet the old boys were saying no one would want them as all the youngsters were messing with Saxo's.
You might be right about the youngsters, but even back in my day only a few were interested enough in cars to make it a hobby. The youngsters of today will still have a passion for cars like they always have had. It wont be everyone but there will be enough of them.
See you at a local car show in 30 years time, probably in my old Tesla
What about steam engines, they were all run by very retired people 20 years ago, now they are often run by people in their 40's. But I bet the old boys were saying no one would want them as all the youngsters were messing with Saxo's.
You might be right about the youngsters, but even back in my day only a few were interested enough in cars to make it a hobby. The youngsters of today will still have a passion for cars like they always have had. It wont be everyone but there will be enough of them.
See you at a local car show in 30 years time, probably in my old Tesla
ARHarh said:
I am 56 as well.
What about steam engines, they were all run by very retired people 20 years ago, now they are often run by people in their 40's. But I bet the old boys were saying no one would want them as all the youngsters were messing with Saxo's.
You might be right about the youngsters, but even back in my day only a few were interested enough in cars to make it a hobby. The youngsters of today will still have a passion for cars like they always have had. It wont be everyone but there will be enough of them.
See you at a local car show in 30 years time, probably in my old Tesla
Hopefully I'll still be allowed to drive my ancient/gas guzzling/noisy petrol engined Alfa 'special'. What about steam engines, they were all run by very retired people 20 years ago, now they are often run by people in their 40's. But I bet the old boys were saying no one would want them as all the youngsters were messing with Saxo's.
You might be right about the youngsters, but even back in my day only a few were interested enough in cars to make it a hobby. The youngsters of today will still have a passion for cars like they always have had. It wont be everyone but there will be enough of them.
See you at a local car show in 30 years time, probably in my old Tesla
Bet I'll get more looks than your wheeled sewing machine though!
I was a keen autojumbler for over 50 years, from their first introduction into the UK in the 1960s (via Beaulieu Autojumble, The Old Motor Fleamarkets, Mike Carter's Pennywise Motoring events, John Carter's extravaganzas, Neil Bateman's Grand British shows, and many others).
At the height of their popularity a great camaraderie developed among the enthusiastic amateurs, small business owners and serious professionals that were regulars at the myriad events, large and small, that blossomed all over the Country. The annual Beaulieu International Autojumble each September became an eagerly anticipated social event. Dedicated magazines, newsletters and newspapers sprang up, and even a Trade body was formed (anybody remember The Autojumble Traders Association?).
Sadly those halcyon days have now passed, a victim to the ageing of the original clientele (me included!), the ever increasing cost of attending, both for the stallholders and the general public, the relentless rise of the internet and particularly the likes of Ebay, and scarcity of those elusive rare parts that were always a tasty prospect to seek out.
The arrival of Covid, together with Brexit and the lack of overseas visitors, has been the last straw for many of us.
But it was great while it lasted, and I have thoroughly enjoyed myself over the years.
At the height of their popularity a great camaraderie developed among the enthusiastic amateurs, small business owners and serious professionals that were regulars at the myriad events, large and small, that blossomed all over the Country. The annual Beaulieu International Autojumble each September became an eagerly anticipated social event. Dedicated magazines, newsletters and newspapers sprang up, and even a Trade body was formed (anybody remember The Autojumble Traders Association?).
Sadly those halcyon days have now passed, a victim to the ageing of the original clientele (me included!), the ever increasing cost of attending, both for the stallholders and the general public, the relentless rise of the internet and particularly the likes of Ebay, and scarcity of those elusive rare parts that were always a tasty prospect to seek out.
The arrival of Covid, together with Brexit and the lack of overseas visitors, has been the last straw for many of us.
But it was great while it lasted, and I have thoroughly enjoyed myself over the years.
alfaspecial said:
The white goods analogy stands. ICE cars are almost analogue in operation whereas BEVs are (literally)digital. And who gets excited about 'old' digital technology.
I knew a guy who owned a pub. He bought one of those old style arcade games and spent a fortune having it restored. It was a great 'feature' and his clientele were really up for nostalgic thrills. For about a fortnight. And then it just gathered dust.
When stereos were analogue there was a genuine interest in ownership of a 'system'. Why bother when you can have access to just about every piece of music/video via your phone.
As a counterpoint to these two er, points, arcade machines made before the mid 90's back to the start of the 70's when electronic stuff began to replace electro mechanical games are very sought after by collectors, in a similar way to classic cars. When they were new they were purely money generators, used, abused and thrown away when they were broken beyond repair. Survivors make big money as do well restored examples. Arcade Club in Bury and Leeds are full of classic arcades and they do well from it, appealing to people like me who played them when they were new and dreamed of owning one at home (if I had space in my bedroom for a full size sit-down pneumatic motion seat Sega Outrun!) to kids who were born 20 years after the classic era ended.I knew a guy who owned a pub. He bought one of those old style arcade games and spent a fortune having it restored. It was a great 'feature' and his clientele were really up for nostalgic thrills. For about a fortnight. And then it just gathered dust.
When stereos were analogue there was a genuine interest in ownership of a 'system'. Why bother when you can have access to just about every piece of music/video via your phone.
Edited by alfaspecial on Friday 1st July 14:58
I know a guy who's business is selling audio kit. Serious audio kit with vinyl, CD's and even cassettes as a medium to play through, still being a big part of the game. It sells well enough to allow him to go motor racing at a very expensive level!
There definitely are people who still get excited about 'old' digital technology, as well as analogue tech.
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