Racing drunk driver
Discussion
Over the limit, racing, his ex and a 3 year old kid in the car?
16 months seems a bit ‘light’?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-derbyshir...
16 months seems a bit ‘light’?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-derbyshir...
Isn’t the answer supposed to be something like:
“Nobody was killed, speed isn’t dangerous on its own, dry roads, no other traffic, late at night, speed limits are way too low on that road, lorry was probably driven by a foreigner, so he deserved all he got”
I guess the discussion will be shorter than normal now.
“Nobody was killed, speed isn’t dangerous on its own, dry roads, no other traffic, late at night, speed limits are way too low on that road, lorry was probably driven by a foreigner, so he deserved all he got”
I guess the discussion will be shorter than normal now.
MrBogSmith said:
The maximum sentence (IIRC) for dangerous driving is two years. So it’s at the upper end of seriousness.
You're right, DD on its own is a maximum 2 years. He's admitted the offence so will get a third off for that if admitted at the first opportunity, which is what I think has happened here.Effectively he got the most they can give.
mwstewart said:
These people must be a bit stupid anyway, because I can't imagine that drink suddenly makes you think that it's a good idea to plough into a T junction at 70ish when there's an arctic clearly established in the adjoining carraigeway, and there's a child in the car.
It removes your inhibitions, your ability to make rational decisions and your ability to judge distance, speed, time etc accurately. However, I agree that anyone who drink drives is stupid . The problem with the huge disparity between sentences based on outcome means that the effect of deterrence is lessened.
In the absence of the defendant taking action to avoid/minimise risk of death outcome from their crime, then I think the sentencing between with and without death should be closer.
In other words, what kept this guy away from a death by driving conviction had nothing to do with his actions, but simply down to luck.
In my view, that luck should be rewarded more fully to victims and not to perpetrators.
In the absence of the defendant taking action to avoid/minimise risk of death outcome from their crime, then I think the sentencing between with and without death should be closer.
In other words, what kept this guy away from a death by driving conviction had nothing to do with his actions, but simply down to luck.
In my view, that luck should be rewarded more fully to victims and not to perpetrators.
Sounds like the sentences could have been longer really:
"Prosecutor Katrina Wilson told the court the trio had been at the Red Lion for six hours before the crash – with Webster drinking seven pints, Robert Bower, six, and Michael at least four-and-a-half."
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime/chest...
He seems to have a bit of form:
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime/chest...
"Prosecutor Katrina Wilson told the court the trio had been at the Red Lion for six hours before the crash – with Webster drinking seven pints, Robert Bower, six, and Michael at least four-and-a-half."
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime/chest...
He seems to have a bit of form:
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime/chest...
zarlak said:
Sounds like the sentences could have been longer really:
"Prosecutor Katrina Wilson told the court the trio had been at the Red Lion for six hours before the crash – with Webster drinking seven pints, Robert Bower, six, and Michael at least four-and-a-half."
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime/chest...
He seems to have a bit of form:
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime/chest...
Anyone else spot that it looks like one of the muppets he was racing with enters that roundabout the wrong way, look at the background after the impact?"Prosecutor Katrina Wilson told the court the trio had been at the Red Lion for six hours before the crash – with Webster drinking seven pints, Robert Bower, six, and Michael at least four-and-a-half."
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime/chest...
He seems to have a bit of form:
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime/chest...
mwstewart said:
These people must be a bit stupid anyway, because I can't imagine that drink suddenly makes you think that it's a good idea to plough into a T junction at 70ish when there's an arctic clearly established in the adjoining carraigeway, and there's a child in the car.
Must have been a bloody big carriageway if there was space for the arctic. I had to watch this several times before I realised exactly where it was. The road they are driving along is the B6050 - a 30 (I think), and not where I would expect anyone to be driving fast.
google maps
The roundabout is pretty big with lots of lanes and junctions...
I've not been in the Red Lion for about 35 years, when I drank 8 pints of Chestnut mild, left the pub fairly sober and had terrible bowel problems for the next 24 hours
google maps
The roundabout is pretty big with lots of lanes and junctions...
I've not been in the Red Lion for about 35 years, when I drank 8 pints of Chestnut mild, left the pub fairly sober and had terrible bowel problems for the next 24 hours
survivalist said:
mwstewart said:
These people must be a bit stupid anyway, because I can't imagine that drink suddenly makes you think that it's a good idea to plough into a T junction at 70ish when there's an arctic clearly established in the adjoining carraigeway, and there's a child in the car.
Must have been a bloody big carriageway if there was space for the arctic. unident said:
It removes your inhibitions, your ability to make rational decisions and your ability to judge distance, speed, time etc accurately. However, I agree that anyone who drink drives is stupid .
For sure, but there's a difference between taking home a girl that becomes a regret the next day, and putting yourself in a position that is effectivly murder and suicide rolled into one. I can't ever image being in the latter situation - inebriated or not.survivalist said:
Must have been a bloody big carriageway if there was space for the arctic.
Nah - it's shrunk a lot recently 
matchmaker said:
survivalist said:
mwstewart said:
These people must be a bit stupid anyway, because I can't imagine that drink suddenly makes you think that it's a good idea to plough into a T junction at 70ish when there's an arctic clearly established in the adjoining carraigeway, and there's a child in the car.
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